F/A-18 ruined 11.7

[ゴトランド]

@Daffan

it has 2 amazing radar missiles and enemies above it in BR have 2-4 sometimes even 0 with worse everything flight performance?

Have you considered with a heavily nerfed already inconsistence radar R-24R would have some kind of downside ?

@Daffan

BR have 2-4 sometimes even 0 with worse everything flight performance?

That the 23ML fault or gaijin unable to balance stuff. Sure F4J(UK) , both tech tree and premium are dogshit. That cause gaijin unable to balance stuff , they should have been 11.7 and no one would complain. But for other instance ? No , worse FP doesn’t mean it is worse. Take F4S/J for example , it missile load couple with HMD make it an excellent fighter for literally anything , actually better at head on than 23ML. Who would have thought

[An_Pigeon]

@Daffan

Oh yeah let’s just forget about the 5 or more best in class attributes it maintains at the same time.

What are those then?

@Daffan

it has 2 amazing radar missiles and enemies above it in BR have 2-4 sometimes even 0 with worse everything flight performance?

Its radar since the MTI changes is also shambolic at best.
The MTI can only activate when the planes pointed below the horizon, and below 1500 meters altitude, as well as that it absolutely is struggling to actually get the lock, once it gets it sure, R24Rs are good.
But id rather a better air frame over 2 missiles.

R60Ms are found on 11.0 planes in the mig21 lazur and even the mig23, and even then they are pretty poor missiles. The aim9g while not All aspect is comparable. Aim9L is absolutely better.

So what are these five or more attributes it does better.

Its what faster than most 11.3s and 11.7s but 12.0s and 12.3s above are faster.

The Kfir C7 is armed with 4 x Python 3s at 11.3 as well as a banger of a ground loadout.

The Viggen while worse FM at 11.3 has access to 2 x RB71s and most importantly a PD radar
And ofc has the reliable 4 x RB 74s as well.

France is lacking a 11.3 or 11.7 etc so skip that.

and italy hasnt really got an 11.3 or 11.7 the F104 ASA is not good for the BR at all.

china has the J7E which beats the Mig23 MLD even in every aspct apart from radar missiles and top speed PL5Bs are better missiles htan the R60s. J8B is about on par with the mig23ML (not the MLD)
at 11.3

Japan has the F5T SCU at 11.3 which people are calling to be put to 11.7 as it has access to pythons as well as is a banger of an air frame, beats the Mig23ML in most aspects bar radar and SARH’s

Britain doesnt have an 11.7 that isnt the vark, and well thats a vark so.

USSR has the mig23s

Germany at that range has the MLA which is the same as the ML so.

and the USA has -
F5E and the F4E which both give the mig23 a run for its money.

So yeah what five catagories is it better in than all those planes?

even got the A10C at 11.7 with 4 x 9ms which mig23 cant stand against

[An_Pigeon]

@サラトガ

That the 23ML fault or gaijin unable to balance stuff. Sure F4J(UK) , both tech tree and premium are dogshit.

The FGR2 and FG1 beat the mig23 as they have the PD radar set which can be turned on and off, and more SARHs’ while not as potent as the R24 you will reliably get them off hte rail. At least in ARB in sim different story.

[Daffan]

@サラトガ

Take F4S/J for example , it missile load couple with HMD make it an excellent fighter for literally anything , actually better at head on than 23ML. Who would have thought

Yea it gives up literally everything to get 2 more SARH missiles + HMD and is arguably worse at head on, R24R comes off the rails at mach 200. F4S Even comes with a 0.3 br boost as well to sweeten the deal, incredible, it will surely enjoy those j11/su33/su27/29g battles.

[ron_23]

@An_Pigeon

Also something funny here, your name doesn’t seem to show up, in game OR on stat shark, neither the squadron

bc i changed my ign to ron_23 if you really want to check my stats

but sure expert that never played the rafale or Eurofighter

here so you dont have to look it up yourself

[An_Pigeon]

Your mirage 4k KD is better than your rafales. Does that make the 4k the best plane in the game?

Your su27SM KD is nearly the same as the rafale

How are you negative in the F15E xD

[An_Pigeon]

@ron_2303

but sure expert that never played the rafale or Eurofighter

Played against them enough as well as im nearly on both.

Also got better average stats in ARB than you do xD so i must know where im coming from

[ron_23]

@An_Pigeon

How are you negative in the F15E xD

bc i dont have it stockgrinded yet

@An_Pigeon

Does that make the 4k the best plane in the game?

no it means that i played the mirage4k more in rb than the rafale
that looks totally differnet for my sim stats

@An_Pigeon

Your su27SM KD is nearly the same as the rafale

you might have not understood that iam not a rb main

iam only playing rb to stock grind

[ron_23]

@An_Pigeon

Also got better average stats in ARB than you do xD so i must know where im coming from

sure want to look at sim then?

[An_Pigeon]

@ron_2303

you might have not understood that iam not a rb main

iam only playing rb to stock grind

then why bounce into an RB conversation.

The EF2000 suffers in sim due to the place holder radar RN that is common knowledge.

Also your EF2000 stats are miles ahead of the Rafales…

[An_Pigeon]

Ive not played enough sim to comment on yours.

[ron_23]

@An_Pigeon

Also your EF2000 stats are miles ahead of the Rafales…

bc i dont play the rafale bc it is boring af

[ron_23]

oh backpaddeling?

[An_Pigeon]

Not at all, Im saying I wont compare my sim to yours as its obvious you’ve played more sim? ive not even done enough for it to give rating yet xD can check my stats if you’d like.

[ron_23]

i did K/D of 0.54

[An_Pigeon]

With little to no sim experience to your thousands of games?

No sim set up either.

I only began getting into sim like 2 months ago and at that barely touch it xD

lets get bcak to ARb where the main body of people actively are?

Which in the easier game mode by far, you have a worse KD, winrate and overall performance.

Now we are miles off topic for the F18s BR and should really get back on topic less the thread gets locked

[ron_23]

@An_Pigeon

No sim set up either.

my sim set up is a XBox controller

@An_Pigeon

lets get bcak to ARb where the main body of people actively are?

oh so you dont like that i actually know what iam talking about after initally tring to stat shame me?

[ron_23]

@An_Pigeon

Now we are miles off topic for the F18s BR and should really get back on topic less the thread gets locked

TT F/A-18 should go to 12.7 and get 2 more sparrows

[ゴトランド]

@Daffan

Yea it gives up literally everything to get 2 more SARH missiles + HMD and is arguably worse at head on, R24R comes off the rails at mach 200

You do know that you could just , notch ? Literally move and it will lose track.

@Daffan

F4S Even comes with a 0.3 br boost as well to sweeten the deal, incredible, it will surely enjoy those j11/su33/su27/29g battles.

This is the br compression issue, literally same case. 23ML isn’t what it used to be , don’t cry about it please. In no world 23ML is better than actual 12.0. When the worst 12.0 is on par with 23ML itself and that because Gaijin can’t balance stuff

[An_Pigeon]

@ron_2303

my sim set up is a XBox controller

An Pigeon:

Still A set up, I dont have any set up at all for it.

@ron_2303

oh so you dont like that i actually know what iam talking about after initally tring to stat shame me?

Not at all, you aren’t talking from an ARB point of view, which again, most people refer to, if you told me in sim the rafale is top dog id not argue with you about it at all.

more over, your stats are worse than mine for ARB so im not stat shaming anyone.

Like look at mine, technically I can say due to my stats the mig29 is better than the F16A due to how ive got a better KD and win rate, but that objectively isnt true at all.

@ron_2303

TT F/A-18 should go to 12.7 and get 2 more sparrows

It already has four coupled with 2 9Ls , it wouldn’t need the extra sparrows, though the option if historical should be there.