yeah, thats the speed of whooping 400kph, the speed of basically falling out of the sky!
nobody ever would ratefight at those speeds, its straight up suicide
Around anything “figther”, pretty much everything outrates the f-5c because you either trade keeping mach 0.95 over having the turn radius of a city or turn a little tighter in exchange of shitting all your speed you will take over 20 seconds to recover back flying straight and never if you have to dodge someone or flare missiles away. I said the f-5c was the zero of supersonics but now i can’t even say it when it handles now like a phantom. Oh wait, WORSE, phantoms accelerate along f-16s, the f-5c gets out accelerated by me262 c2b.
It probably has the coldest heat sig out of any afterburning jet in the entre game apart, and claiming otherwise is blatantly false.
It’s still massively overbuffed compared to real life.
Pulling a constant 11gs is the turn radius of a city? If you’ve played it, you will know that is plenty good enough, especially with the energy retention it has. Even the F-16 loses more speed in a mach 0.95-1.0 turn than the F-5C.
It’s almost like a plane with 2 powerful rocket engines strapped to it accelerates better than a light fighter from the 1960s.
It probably has the coldest heat sig out of any afterburning jet in the entre game apart, and claiming otherwise is blatantly false.
Me when I expect to lock something else from 5km away wtih a rear aspect missile
The heat signature of the f-5c is no longer that small, i have no problems taking them down even while they’re flaring using r13m1’s.
It’s still massively overbuffed compared to real life.
Yes, still doesn’t stop it from being ass at dogfighting in air RB.
Pulling a constant 11gs is the turn radius of a city? If you’ve played it, you will know that is plenty good enough, especially with the energy retention it has.
G pull and speed aren’t related to how the plane rates. The Su27 does 13g’s at the same speeds the f-5c does 10 and has even wider turn radius. Why? because it doesn’t lose speed at all, while the f-5c DOES lose speed.
Even the F-16 loses more speed in a mach 0.95-1.0 turn than the F-5C.
Me when I think that energy retention is everything. For that then the tornados would be the best planes in game.
It’s almost like a plane with 2 powerful rocket engines strapped to it accelerates better than a light fighter from the 1960s.
The Swift F-7 is from 1948 and it literally accelerates better and has no rockets.
It is the coldest aircraft in game by a long way. Do you actually play anything else?
I dont think i’ve ever not had an Aim-9L instantly go for flares against an F-5. even if its rear aspect and they are in Reheat, the worse case scenario for defending.
Though this does sound like Laddering, (which is technically ahistorical) but is present in game.So you are defending wrong
The F-5C at 11.0 is completely unfair
NEW ONE, which was created when F-5C was bumped to 11.0 via decompression, and is no longer effective since F-5C ended up with a buff being shamelessly reduced to 10.7.
@katyushá, sorry for pinging, but can you close topics #1 and #3 to stop his skirmishing all over the forum?
He is just posting on multiple posts about F-5C for nothng but complain about it.
and he already got warned about that when he did same thing about F-18C.
All I want is the j7d to go up, as it is the ONLY PLANE i die to on f-5c. Literally.
If you managed to kill something with an IR missile at THAT FAR
That is their plain skill issue.
With r13m? Well, that missile is side aspect so it can indeed lock on targets rear aspect further away than other missiles. And from 5km away? Well, no shid, that’s how j7d’s farm kills.
I don’t give a damn about sending it up.
We need to take care of both F-5C and J-7D at the same time.
Just let F-5C get unhistorical AIM-9J along with unhistorical AN/ALE-40, which they already got.
then it will be no problem.
If Gaijin get rid of ‘your only worthy opponent’, then you will be dominating the whole match.
Great. The Greatest Era, which America dominated 10BR match will come back.
And I will be permanently suffering from attacker jets. Thanks to British tech tree, which doesn’t grant any kind of fighter jets to fly against F-5C. Just let me have earlier variant of MiG-21 from india…
AFAIK, AIM-9G’s optimal range is 3km-ish and 9J/P has a shorter, because over that range, rocket booster got burnt and exhausted, so will going to freefall to target instead.
And if we consider R-13 are acts like AIM-9J equivalent, I believes that if you managed to hit F-5C with it over 5km away, it is both of your pure luck and their skill issue.
Ima be real, probably the strongest F-5 in the game is the F-5E FCU. And that’s because it gets good engines, and four missiles (two Aim-9Ps and two Python 3s)
I dunno if the new Premium F-5 in the french tree is better tier for tier, but I like having four missiles + good guns.
Correction: F-5C will be dominant at 10.7 if you stop seeing Four J-7D per team
The F-5C never dominated at 10.7, with or without the j7d when even better aircraft like the f8u or the mig21 smt/mf or the kfir canard, aircraft that not only can simply not engage with the f-5 and kill it from far away, can also outdogfight it, sat at 10.3 alongside it and now still sit at 10.3 while the f-5c got moved up.
unless you became a victim of uptier and face jets with higher BR.
The MiG21 SMT does not do bad against mig23s, it can catch them up, one circle them and kill them head on with r60 or take down the r24r’s thanks to r60’s good speed and initial pull. The F-5C’s only hope against the MiG23M is for the mig23m to start one circling it at super slow speed with the wings folded back and keep turning into it’s guns. Otherwise, it will always have the upper hand no matter what.
Just… their specialisations are different, and J-7D’s specialisation fits better for the current meta.
The specialisation of the f-5c is completely undermined when it’s only redeeming qualities like energy retention and turn rate are negated with newer aircraft having BETTER turn rate and tighter turn radius and m39s being hyperdrag plinkers that tickle the backs of mig21s during point blank knife fights.
Do yourself a favor, fly something that is not a tornado or a vark or a harrier, you will see how good something like an SMT deals against many f-5s tailgating you, or a draken even if you don’t have flares, or even a phantom E. The moment the f-5 flies above 1500m your sparrows will nuke them even after they chaff your radar.
Nah, it was dominated by the BR radius along with another American jet before decompressing.
I meant when both F-8E and F-5C were 10.3, F-5E in 10.7, supported by A-10A and A-6E which acts like flying SAM to a flareless jet.
They literally steamrolled the match unless they had too much of A-10A or F-105D and did not have enough fighters to fight against enemy MiGs.
Strange, I had no problem when I tried M39 and firing it against an enemy IL-28 when I flew with B-57B.
I wonder how many times I should tell you that there are NO FIGHTER JETS EXISTS in the British tech tree in the BR radius of F-5C(9.7-10.7)?
Lightnings(9.3) are too low, Phantoms(12.0) are too high.
We just have no goddamn proper fighter jets to fight against these damn F-5C(or 21SMT, J-7D, or whatever you talk as ‘proper fighter jet’) ffs.
And when I take detouring with my Mirage in both France and Israel tree, enemy F-5C, which I saw were had no problem to fighting against allied fighter jets.
