F-5's all feel pretty weaksauce for game META

[Boeing747Cultist]

you are the same person who a few years ago was saying the mig19 needed r60s to compete at 9.3 lmao

you also ignore that i also said it to go to 10.3 with flares. But go ahead, keep tampering with what i said.

no lol, j7d is meta but this does not mean the entire bracket is china dominated. In that bracket you also have: F-4E, the various F-5s, MiG-21SMT, MiG-21MF, MiG-23MLA, MiG-23MLD, Kurnass, JA37C as competitors

china dominates because there is at least six j7d’s per team in 10.7, which implies having twelve missiles that if used smarfly will grant you at least two free kills. Defyn said it’s a shit plane so everyone still downplays it, despite it’s a MIG21MF with magic 1s and side aspect pl5b’s wich are the best non all aspect missile in game, beating the aim9m at stealth ranged shots.

Oh no! France has a singular meta in the entirety of air RB! One that will surely fall probably in 1 patch to the next hottest jet where France will wait 5 more years (or never) for another meta! What will we do?

Spammed, same issue as j7d.

No, it doesn’t. They are rear aspect missiles and do not get front aspect kills besides flukes.

So now game physics and strategic recklessness is “flukes”? I didn’t know, cue the video where I got two MiGs head on with the f-4e (9J and 9E have the same seeker sensitivity)

War Thunder F-4E two kills with front aspect AIM9J

You have to be ragebaiting atp

No, you just play strict to the weaponry stats without experimenting. If an aim9e can kill a mig23 head on from 1km away launch then the pl5b which is a side aspect missile can do it too.

It’s INSANE to me that people keep thinking the f-5c is op now that it sees 11.7 planes and is not just no longer unique in a br of attackers, but everything else surpasses it performance dogfight and weaponry wise. Even the other nations have lighter, better armed and more powerful f-5c variants. And the j7d phenomenom. It not only outweapons every 10.7, but also outperforms it.

[pooqich]

@Boeing747Cultist

i’m right about what i’m saying

@Boeing747Cultist

the skoshi tiger did have flares

respond to me already

[Boeing747Cultist]

the skoshi tiger did indeed not have flares, and I apologize for defending my statement, But still, i say, do you want it to get it’s flares removed and lowered to 9.7? no, right? nobody wants that. They’d rather put the f-5c back at 11.0.

[pooqich]

@Boeing747Cultist

All you do is cry about the f-5c being OP while refusing to put a remedy to it

its up to snail to decompress
dont blame the player

@Boeing747Cultist

besides why would you want to dogfight in a meta where staying fast and launching doppler missiles is more relevant than winning minute long rate fights?

maybe because there are no CW missiles and PD radars below 11.3?

@Boeing747Cultist

But still, i say, do you want it to get it’s flares removed and lowered to 9.7? no, right?

the ONLY option is decompression, the f-5c should ideally share a br with similarly flareless jets with higher performance missiles (think mirage 3c or f-1)

how about you also apologise for shitting up the thread with similarly bad takes? you keep saying easily disprovable things and never backing your statements up
nobody will take you seriously if you keep doing that

[Boeing747Cultist]

The F-5C would be fine where it is if the j7d was moved to 11.3 where it belongs, and the j7e to 11.7 where it belongs. The major issue of the f-5c is having poor performance and poor armament but easy to use, against stuff that also has poor armament or against which you can use tactical recklessness.

A MiG23 MLD or a Phantom has insane armament and good performance, but these two planes are something you can kill head on with an aim9e (it’s the best way to use them, in fact)
A MiG21 SMT is something you MAY win in a dogfight but has very poor armament so if it wants to kill you it has no option but engage, it can’t stay running forever.

But the J7D IS the main problem, it does perform better than a MiG21SMT in an air rb scenario because it’s a MiG21MF with no flare pod that hinders its’ center of gravity, weight and aerodynamics, it’s as cold as the f-5c and has missiles that ignore backward fired flares if shot from side aspect.

If the J7D had just magic 1s it would still be 11.0 material although it would be forced to stay close to enemies instead of vulturing from 4km away unspotted at sea level and still scoring kills, but it’s the pl-5bs that grant it should be 11.3. I repeat, if you can kill MiG23s and phantoms with strict rear aspect missiles, you can do it too with side aspect missiles like pl5b. There’s also high chances you can even kill drakens and viggens head on with the pl5b because I managed to score many with R60 normal.

All in all, with all the things that were added to the game, I can firmly say that the f-5c is a bottom tier plane. I mean, I barely die to them even if i face many of them every match.

[pooqich]

doesnt look like you actually care about balance in any way
whatever ragebaiter

@Boeing747Cultist

head on with an aim9e

lol

[Boeing747Cultist]

doesnt look like you actually care about balance in any way
whatever ragebaiter

Let me explain you something, son. Everyone WANTS the mig21 smt and mf to go 10.7, then you have J7D which has the best non all aspect missiles in the game at 10.7. Do you know what planes have PL5b’s too? Yes, exactly, other 11.3 planes that also happen to be slightly low in BR.

lol

When the f-5C player has at least a neuron

Ace on F-5C while listeing to Canon EOS 5D evolution commentary by Tin House Studio

Include: Su22, Su24, F111, F14, F15.
Prime example of tactical recklessness.

Oh, what about the current state of M39 acting like 50 cals?

(he’s the same player btw)

J7D IS SO MUCH SUPERIOR TO THE F-5C, and SO MUCH SUPERIOR than LITERALLY any 10.7 in game. And gsh23l is still one of the best guns in game, it nukes anything that a single shell touches, then also it doesn’t suffer from severe speed loss, and it doesn’t despawn after two seconds flying off the barrel.

[DiamondCraftLP]

@Boeing747Cultist

the best non all aspect missiles in the game at 10.7

You got 60 fictional flares on your F-5C. And one of the coldest airframes.
IR-missiles should not pose a threat to you.

@Boeing747Cultist

Although I do not know how you managed to run out of flares… What were you doing? Most missiles are 1 or 2 flare, especially in a F-5.

And looking at your performance in this jet, I don’t know what you are complaining about?
You got a 65% winrate with 1091 kills to 370 deaths and 731 respawns in 680 matches.
Does not look like you are suffering in this aircraft the slightest.
If anything, this is your best performing jet…

Spoiler

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Boeing747Cultist

i’m right about what i’m saying

No? You are just ragebaiting while hopping around topics.
Now I can expect that you will run off from this and go back to another again.

@Boeing747Cultist

you’re flying attackers without weapons and expecting they can win a dedicated mafia fighter breed.

I just wonder why the f- you are criticising that I am only playing attacker
WHEN I CAN CHOOSE NOTHING BUT ATTACKER after Hunter F.6 (9.7) till Phantom FG.1/FGR.2(12.0), ffs.

It is not my fault, but Gaijin’s fault, who filled only attackers in tech tree.

I think I already explained, but you are just ignorant to ignore it.

By the way, if you believe that those attacker really has no weaponry, it is nothing but you are flying a broken plane with a cold-fusion engine, which makes it almost immune to IR missiles. :/

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Boeing747Cultist

It’s INSANE to me that people keep thinking the f-5c is op now that it sees 11.7 planes

It is insane to me that you keep ignoring F-5C sees 9.7 planes…

[Boeing747Cultist]

i can deal with f-5 in su25 which is worse than harriers in every regard, i think this is a serious case of not knowing when to extend and reengage.

[Boeing747Cultist]

these 9.7 planes are also facing the j7d, and these 9.7 planes can catch f-5s up, or reverse them, or run away from them, or dodge their missiles, while none of these options can be done against the j7d.

[pooqich]

@Boeing747Cultist

these 9.7 planes can catch f-5s up, or reverse them, or run away from them

“just win bro”

[Normandy_Corsair]

wonder what br he wants the j7e at

[Stockholm_Blend]

To all who read this topic,
Thanks to the guy who cross-posted the same thing in two topics, there are currently two F-5C topics online.

Thanks to that, we need to check BOTH to find what he claims. :/

@Surbaissemaxxing, sorry for pinging, but will you please close this topic to stop cross-posts any further?
I suggested one to choose, but he just ignored…

@Normandy_Corsair

what br he wants the j7e at

According to another F-5C topic, he wants to put J-7D into 11.3 while J-7E becomes 11.7

[pooqich]

@Stockholm_Blend

J-7E becomes 11.7

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Boeing747Cultist

these 9.7 planes are also facing the j7d

It won’t change that they face F-5C. Stop bringing J-7D up to undersell F-5C ffs.
EVERYONE knows that J-7D is a problem now, just as you do.

@Boeing747Cultist

these 9.7 planes can catch f-5s up, or reverse them, or run away from them, or dodge their missiles, while none of these options can be done against the j7d.

wdym, according to my experiences in many 9.7BR jet
9.7BR planes can’t catch F-5 up, or reverse F-5, or run away from it, unless F-5 player played it as A6M and wasted all of his energy.

Dodging AIM-9E can be done, but it will eventually lead to F-5C’s gun range.

[pooqich]

@Stockholm_Blend

EVERYONE knows that J-7D is a problem now, just as you do.

for some reason he keeps bringing chinese jets up, its like he has a hateboner for them or something

@Stockholm_Blend

9.7BR planes can’t catch F-5 up, or reverse F-5, or run away from it, unless F-5 player played it as A6M and wasted all of his energy.

exactly, pretty sure NONE of the 9.7 jets can outperform an f-5

come to think of it, some of the 10.7 jets are completely and utterly outclassed by the f-5 (the jag comes to mind)

edit: remembered this GEM:

least tanky f-5c

[Morvran]

Basically anything even slightly reliant upon IR missiles for its BR is useless against even the worst F5 because they have the easiest time defending against any IR missiles. Need to test it at some point, but I wouldnt be surprised if an F5 can flare a Magic II in rear aspect whilst sat on reheat from 1-1.5km

[pooqich]

here is me one flaring an aim-9l 900m away from me with full AB on lol