Pretty much everything beats em in a dogfight, and furthermore, alot of the same planes that have F-5 level dogfighting capability, are also faster than the F-5 whilst having far better missiles.
People who complain about the F-5 being too strong are simply bad players who want to win every fight by just holding S, like they did with the Yaks, Spitfires, and Zeros.
riight
forgets to mention that said PD radars are worse than some radars at 8.7
That sure is an interesting way to describe planes like the F-4J/S
this one is funny to me
9.3 missiles? in F-5E?
wtf are you talking about, stop inventing things, F-5E is armed with AIM-9J, not AIM-9E ffs
Also, this topic is mainly about F-5A/C in 10.7BR
NOT F-5E at 11.0
You are here for nothing but derailing the topic.
Only after you get the rank Iv mods unlocked, until then it does only have Aim-9E’s.
You know what I meant, right?
If we bring stock modification shits up
F-16A’s Missile are 10.3 material bc AIM-9L is first used on A-10A (10.3)
So we need to discuss fully upgraded modifications unless we talk about how bad the stock is.
He came up for derail topic with F-5 whine while we were discussing about F-5A/C.
Framing others as skilless noob which is violation of the forum guidelines itself. :/
This is a very obvious case of power creep.
Moving them down would present obvious issues (as mentioned a lot in this thread), but I would not be opposed to giving them Aim-9J/P, given that they already exist on other F-5:s. This is even if they are potentially fictional or ‘unnecessary’.
As it stands we have a premium plane which is objectively better than a tech tree variant. Standard tech tree planes should be as competitive as premium planes.
All the same, he’s not wrong… F-5E with 2x Aim-9E’s Vs. MiG-25 is indeed one of the utterly “bovine droppings” scenarios this game can throw at you.
He is wrong because
1- this topic is about
‘How to make F-5A(Thai) and F-5C(USAF) keep up compared to NF-5A(Dutch) and F-5A(ROCAF) while not making em broken’
Not
‘Every F-5 are weak as f- and every complaint are noob whine’ cope while ignoring every other counterclaims
2- F-5E can use AIM-9J after researching modification
3- if we argue things with stock loadout as standard.
In same term
THAT also affect on stock F-4E against F-16A case and such
So no. He is wrong and we shouldn’t bring stock F-5E in convo
And this makes it special… how, exactly? It’s not like any of the other 11.0s have a good missile kit stock. It’s not even the worst of them.
The MiG-21 Bis is stuck with R-3Ss (Slightly worse AIM-9Bs) until tier 3.
The Mirage III E is stuck with AIM-9Bs until tier 4.
Same with the F-8E.
Stock grinds universally suck for missile tier jets. That’s not an excuse to move them down. Especially on a plane like the F-5E, which is such a strong dogfighter that not having it’s missiles doesn’t hurt it anywhere near as badly as an F-4 or F-104.
And people want it moved to 11.0.
And the F-16A is also a pretty shit plane for the exact same reason, but even more intensified. It focusses on dogfighting at a missile BR.
The F-8E at 10.7 with near identical flight performance (actually outperforming the F-5 in alot of cases) having double the missiles, and better ones.
Will you stop quotemining for five minutes or jog on?
Further discussion about either F-5E or F-16A is off-topic
I mentioned F-16A for nothing but example of why arguing with stock modification is dumb
Please, enlighten me
the thread
tldr: the f-5 won basically every dogfight against its br peers
That’s a strange selection of opponents. Personally, I would have thrown in a MiG-21 Bis (even though I’d expect it to lose), since that’s the other 11.0 dogfighting focused jet.
Lol, ofc
F-5s aren’t particularly big aircraft though tbh