Yes, the better F-5E lost to the F-5C.
Can an F-5E limited to only a pair of Aim-9E’s be forced to square off with a MiG-25?
A. Yes
B. Also Yes
C. Yes, but only on days that end in “y”.
That’s literally all I’m saying, I haven’t advocated for moving anything up or down.
better*
What we mean is
He(Pangolin, who talked about F-5E equipped with AIM-9E) is wrong.
And He (not U) prob wants to send them lower, bc he genuinely believes that every F-5 variants are awful
So, even though your claim is technically right
(bc USAF version of F-5E can also be equipped AIM-9E and she need to unlock 9J on mod4)
Bringing stock modification of F-5E is not a good move
As we explained earlier.
Swiss one as well, albeit with whatever designations they gave their 9E’s and J’s.
My point is that brining stock weapons isn’t a choice, so until you have the upgrades you’re boned.
With all that said I’ve also gunned more than a few MiG-25’s with the F-5E, but that says more about the brainlets in the MiG’s than it does about the F-5.
Bringing stock weapon in a match is one thing, bringing stock weapon into the discussion is another.
and in discussion, stock weapon should be excluded as a factor unless we need to discuss about stock
And about how bad stock modification of F-5E, prob Gaijin should buff every stock loadout of rank 7
It isn’t only problem of F-5,
For Example stock F-4J(Rank 7) against F-16A is also nonsense.
Especially when we think about the ROCAF F-5E (License-built one), it has the AIM-9P as stock missiles.
Anyway, discussing the stock modification of F-5E further seems off-topic derailment so can we stop discussing that further, shall we?
That is the point.
Pangolin says he gunned F-5 down even though he is a bad pilot, then every other pilot who struggles against F-5 are brainlets, and he keep underselling F-5 variants.
I still remember that he said Harriers are better dogfighters than F-5 before :rofl:
Anyway, back to original topic,
what do you think about F-5C(USAF) and F-5A(Thai/Japan), and their weaponry?
OP wants to choose either 'give AIM-9J/P to make them equivalent to F-5A(ROCAF), or ‘buff them down to 10.3’.
Any thoughts?
Nope.
Tl;Dw: The R3S has a couple of minor differences, but the main one is that it’s seeker is less sensitive, meaning you need to get even closer to the enemy to get a lock.
It’s also very slightly heavier with a very slightly worse delta V, not that you’re likely to notice this in game.
Check it out here if you don’t believe me.
Don’t actually have either of them personally, I’d quite like to see the F-5C moved down but on the strict condition that it lose its fantasy mods, i.e. no a-a missiles at all and no CM’s either.
For the Thai F-5A, I believe it’s represented more or less accurately, don’t really see to much of an issue leaving it as is. End of the day the F-5A was never supposed to be a particularly dominant fighter, it was meant to be cheap and cheerful with a broad but also limited range of capabilities, i.e. jack of all master of none… at 10.7 in WT it kinda is.
It only ever carried AIM-9P, never another missile. Still it only has AIM-9E in game at the same BR as an F-5A that gets AIM-9P.
Thai service F-5A
BR is fine, it’s still a good aircraft, but the missile part should be fixed.
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this video is from before when the 9B’s proxy delay was nerfed.
now 9B has 2.2s proxy delay and R-3S has 0.5s.
this mean if you fire at like 1km the 9B will fly by the target and not detonate meanwhile R-3S does and kills the target.
That is an issue, but I can’t really imagine firing an AIM-9B that close anyways. The whole point of missiles in general is to get kills without commiting to getting a guns solution on someone, and if you’re that close and within the range that an AIM-9B would actually pull hard enough to get the kill, you’re surely also in gun range, no?
Been a while since I’ve used AIM-9Bs, however, so I could be mistaken.
I personally want to see that as long as I always hated that fantasy mods are used for rationalising other fantasy mods, by being precedent.
But probably it won’t gonna happen in two parts
1- F-5C(USAF) owners will get mad, nerfing the loadout drastically, maybe it could be a legal problem?
2- Making every F-5A/C identical would be easier to balance.
F-5C in 10.3 with no CM, with two awful AIM-9B (slower than 9E and no gimbal due to caged seeker as you know) would be an even more problematic plane to balance, and there would be tons, tons of F-5C owners spamming forum with ‘R-60M insane, nerf Su-25’ /j
I really want to see it, though, no sarcasm.
As @MAUSWAFFE explained, giving them AIM-9P is historical, so a slight upgrade would be fine, and making them tie with F-5A(ROCAF).
Prob not a big change if we think about F-5 are mainly acts dogfighter with guns.
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What you mean is that every plane lost to the F-5E after you claimed that killing and F-5 should be easy
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You flew F-5C, I flew F-5E (supposedly better but I don’t have the 5C to test) and the F-5E lost pretty helplessly.
It was made pretty clear by that fight that the issue wasn’t plane performance.
I feel like you lost more due to skill issue rather than the plane actually being bad
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Exactly the point i was making. It also pretty well invalidated the previous DFs.
my point is you most likely suck at dogfighting, so I highly doubt you’re actually a good person to believe when comparing vehicles at dogfighting
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The F-5C at its current BR is perfectly fine. I’ve played 5 matches with it in the last week and done perfectly fine.
The 5E has a better engine, which gives it a big advantage over the 5C since the lack of engine power on the 5C is its biggest flaw
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dogfighting is my go to method for downing F-5s when I play the Crusader. Leina is simply better at it.