It also doesnt state which F-4E it is being compared to, so it mightve been lighter when compared to early F-4Es (im just cooking here with water honestly).
Point is, the weight atribute is more likely than not taken directly from game, so that means F-4F isnt lightest Phantom variant.
Is it accurate to IRL? maybe not, but ultimately irrelevant to discussion at hand. Were talking about how things are, not how they should be.
Actually, yes it’s not lightest, it’s just felt that, lightest ingame is F-4EJ
I thing, talking about weight, i mixed up info with some other plane
But returning to turn rate, everyoe was talking that German one are best in turn rate
its still listed being some 560kg heavier than F-4C. Unless what you wanted to say was that F-4EJ is lightest F-4E variant, which sure, but you need to type that out.
Also F-4EJ lacks the agile eagle so while it might be the lightest it will have worse turn radius.
likely stemming from the fact that it cant take sparrows into battle so it wont have the extra 775kg added to its weight.
sorry, forget about F-4C, again, yeah i meant F-4E variant
Yeah, i know about that, it’s only(as i know) F-4E variant that don’t have it, can be wrong
Thats 25% better than the F-4
so, to put in more layman terms so that even someone like me can understand it - will F-4E ever outdogfight F-5E if not accounting for player error?
In a turnfight/dogfight where none of the players runs away to regain energy, the F-4E wont win
Thanks.
than it, maybe, player error, cause it was problem for me to outturn F-4E (maybe because of landscape), most of time it was 45 degrees version of nose-to-nose situation, but also F-5E couldn’t outturn me in other battle
In random battles, players are usually lobotomized, so you cant tell at a glance if one plane is better than another based on how they perform in normal matches.
You can beat any plane if the enemy plays bad enough.
Statshark sit is not up for me atm, if it comes back to life i will show you some charts
Nvm, its back up
Yeah, maybe, i think it also depends on speed, cause most of time i was faster in turn against of F-5Es
I would agree, i had situation on F-4EJ Kai, when F-15 couldn’t outturn me for like minute (in turn rate difference it’s a lot, i think)
The other day i played with a friend of mine in 10.7, he killed a A-10 with a I-153 in a dogfight, people is pretty retarded in ARB some times
aren’t it’s one of the best in turn rate? (not counting something like Ki-10 or light bombers)
I have no idea ngl
because I-15s(and variants) have like 10-12 sec turn
Dont look that much at what the vehicle chart says, it lies 90% of the time but yeah, I-15 turns like nothing
yeah, my 18.5 sec turn A7M2 can outturn most planes with less than 15 sec turn
