Wiki states F-4F base weight (empty weight+oil+crew) at 14.38t. F-4E weights 14.21t, F-4S weights 14.21t, F-4C weights 13.41t.
F-5E base weight is 4.95t. Same as Super Tigris.
KWS base weight is 14.38t.
Id advise you to ease off the glue sniffing.
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strange, aren’t it was F-4E but with demounted radar? but okay, not about weight, but anyway maneuver of them all was the best, atleast it was better than F-4E
F-4F had removed wiring for Sparrows, but not radar, in order to save cost, as well as doctorinal decision (Luftwaffe didnt expect that many long range engagements in Germany). Why is it heavier, cant say, but it has vastly advanced RWR when compared to F-4E so associated wiring and sensors might be the reason.
F-4E will never outdogfight F-5E, you cannot be serious.
i said they are on the same level, not F-4E better
In dogfight their difference around 5% or else, in 1v1 dogfight they can’t outturn easily one another
also i thought about F-4F(e) but as wiki states
the F-4F Early was around 3,300 pounds (1,496 kg) lighter than a standard F-4E
but it also 14.38t on wiki
It also doesnt state which F-4E it is being compared to, so it mightve been lighter when compared to early F-4Es (im just cooking here with water honestly).
Point is, the weight atribute is more likely than not taken directly from game, so that means F-4F isnt lightest Phantom variant.
Is it accurate to IRL? maybe not, but ultimately irrelevant to discussion at hand. Were talking about how things are, not how they should be.
Actually, yes it’s not lightest, it’s just felt that, lightest ingame is F-4EJ
I thing, talking about weight, i mixed up info with some other plane
But returning to turn rate, everyoe was talking that German one are best in turn rate
its still listed being some 560kg heavier than F-4C. Unless what you wanted to say was that F-4EJ is lightest F-4E variant, which sure, but you need to type that out.
Also F-4EJ lacks the agile eagle so while it might be the lightest it will have worse turn radius.
likely stemming from the fact that it cant take sparrows into battle so it wont have the extra 775kg added to its weight.
sorry, forget about F-4C, again, yeah i meant F-4E variant
Yeah, i know about that, it’s only(as i know) F-4E variant that don’t have it, can be wrong
Thats 25% better than the F-4
so, to put in more layman terms so that even someone like me can understand it - will F-4E ever outdogfight F-5E if not accounting for player error?
In a turnfight/dogfight where none of the players runs away to regain energy, the F-4E wont win
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Thanks.
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than it, maybe, player error, cause it was problem for me to outturn F-4E (maybe because of landscape), most of time it was 45 degrees version of nose-to-nose situation, but also F-5E couldn’t outturn me in other battle
In random battles, players are usually lobotomized, so you cant tell at a glance if one plane is better than another based on how they perform in normal matches.
You can beat any plane if the enemy plays bad enough.
Statshark sit is not up for me atm, if it comes back to life i will show you some charts
Nvm, its back up
Yeah, maybe, i think it also depends on speed, cause most of time i was faster in turn against of F-5Es
I would agree, i had situation on F-4EJ Kai, when F-15 couldn’t outturn me for like minute (in turn rate difference it’s a lot, i think)
