american planes makes me puke sorry
You really should learn the art of “If I don’t have anything constructive to say, I don’t say anything”…
Especially as you - as you yourself claim - do not even play that game mode. So why comment or even rant about it, if you 're not familiar with the specific intricacies of that game mode?
OP asked a valid question, that was discussed in detail:
The F-4S is really in a tricky situation in the Sim EC game mode, due to its placement in a BR that only has a small handfull of vehicles which in most cases are in the same team even, meaning the only way to play those aircraft is when choosing higher BR matches.
And as the next BR (12.3) doesn’t even have it’s own bracket, you inevitably have to play those 12.0 vehicles in 12.7 matches, where they’re heavily outclassed in the Sim EC environment.
Sure, you can make them work too, but you’ll always be at a vast disadvantage, which obviously isn’t a lot of fun in the long run…
Welcome to the Club… i don’t think F4s is worst then F104 S TAF…
F104 S TAF is unplayable :)
Why?
How is it worse than the other F-104 variants in its BR in Sim EC? I think there are other aircraft in Sim at 10.7 which I expect to struggle way more…
sorry for not beeing so clear.
I play only RB
if i get upptiered to a game with F14, and now i get uptiered every game (probably due to the f14 event) i get killed by the radar missiles. even if i hit the deck, even if i go around, event if i go to space… i don’t get any warning (probably because of my radar is weak)
maybe i don’t know how to use it, but i do not have the same experience in other planes on similar br.
Ah ok, I don’t know about RB. But in SB it should do quite ok as you can control at what BR’s you operate the aircraft…
i will try it on SB then.
any tips on it? should i go for bases?
thanks again
I don’t fly it myself, but judging from its equipment, I’d expect it to be ok against bases thanks to ok load in conventional bombs and napalm, but it’s of course also an ok fighter with Sidewinders and Sparrows, as all Starfighters especially dangerous because of its speed.
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I’ve had no issues finding sim lobbies in the F-4S during the 12.0 bracket, and it does extremely well because
everything else is being uptiered.
The aircraft I struggled most against was the F1C-200, but it was relatively easy to avoid them. MiG-23s was 50/50 on who would win. Otherwise it pretty much slammed everything else in the lobby.
In general, the conclusion I had
Phantom S is weak at 12.3 and above
And at rate 11.7 and below, it is a very wild and good plane
If it is possible to play only at rate 12, it is very fair, but the matchmaking system of a higher and lower rate is very unfair in all matches.
f4-s now is dead in sim. most of the time its straight up unplayable. idk where guys defending it find their lobbies, but in mine there is always mig-29. a lot of them. and they are better, than my phantom at everything. f-4s was a good premium plane before the snail decided to kill it.
its not about f-4s even. its about anything on 12br. that br is dead since its playing on bottom almost every brecket.
the worst thing is that snail knew whats its doing so it wont change anything. its not a mistake.
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There are brackets where its fighting Mig-29s and brackets where its fighting Mig-23. Pick the right rotation
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Yeah, i know. Almost every day its fighting mig-29 and rarely, when the time is right, phantom can catch a moment when its not on bottom. One moment in a whole rotation. Awesome brackets.
So what? Did i say f-4s is the only one broken by new brackets or what did you mean by that picture? That there is a bracket, when its on top? I know that. As i said. 1 bracket its on top. The whole other time its on the very bottom, against a bunch of mig-29 from both ussr and germany lines.
Where am i wrong?
And how would you fix it?
Most aircraft only get 1 bracket where they are top. The only issue is there is no 12.3 bracket for “slight” uptiers at the moment, but until we get 14.0s. There wont be any new brackets added. What we have now is the best we can get.
Much like any other 12.0 aircrat, play it in the downtier bracket, and if you dont want to play it in the uptier bracket, play something else. If you want a premium to play. the AV-8B(NA) is looking rather good at the moment
Your experience is basically a microcosm of pretty much every red side BR with 3rd - 4th generation jets.
You complain about MiG-29 being unfair…when the German F4F ICE has to fight F-16C, F-15C, and Gripen. Heck…you should give the MiG-29 a shot…player counts are typical 2:1 and the MiG-29 is just straight up inferior to the Iranian F-14A now that the missiles were buffed.
This whole BR range is basically unplayable if you are not on the USA side.
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I know that too. I have ussr and usa top jets. Almost all of them. So i can compare. I know that ussr is a hardcore mode, where you flying almost blind with subpar weaponry.
Idk. Give 12br its own stable bracket. So the planes that been bought for a price of normal game wont be food.
In what universe? USSR is pretty easy.