First of all, i know that F-4S was pretty broken before the RWR and BR changes. Unfair for MiG-21 and MiG-23M/ML players.
But since Gaijin already changed obsolete RWRs to detect PD signals which normally they can’t, F-4S shouldn’t be uptiered to 12.7-13.0 and face 4th gen fighter such as MiG-29 and M2K with better radar, RWR, missiles and flight performance. R-27ER vs F-4S is literally Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby.
F-4S’ RWR can’t detect PD signals normally, so everything with PD radar is a question mark on your RWR (even friendlies so it is super confusing) and you also don’t get launch warnings for missiles if the enemy is using PD mode.
And also since F-4S is gone, only thing blue team has at 11.0-11.3 is just F-5E or F-4E which doesn’t even have look-down/shoot-down capability. And get to fight against Floggers which actually have. So now MiG-23 is actually superior to anything else at its BR. (Also why is there R-73 at this BR?)
You forget everything you can face with R27ER has half the ammount of radar missiles as you,
Id take an F5E over a MiG-23 any day, at .9 and above mach you dont loose speed.
Just a lie. the Mirage 2000C-S4 and S5 are in that br range and are much better
Dosnt make sense, you say it cant detect PD but it shows up as a question mark, so what your saying is it does detect it.
Might just be you because the F4S is incredible good, i have the F4J and do really well with it and the F4S is just a better version of it
God F4S players might be the slowest people on the planet, Its an incredible aircraft you have 4 of the best sparrows in the game + a PD radar with HMD. Not to mention 4 more IR missiles and that same HMD. Its just you, massive skill issue.
Yeah MiG-29 may carry only 2 radar missiles but even if you fire a sparrow before a MiG-29 fires a R-27ER/T you will always die and the MiG-29 will survive. At the end, you lose.
F-5E doesn’t even have an IFF radar or radar missiles at all.
M2KCs are 12.3, so can’t face MiG-23s anymore.
By “normally” i meant irl. But in game, AN/ALR-45(V) can. So thats why you see “?” and no launch warning.
I guess all players you fought were Fishbeds and Floggers or really noobie MiG-29s who just run to your sparrows. You might wanna 1v1 with a real player next time.
not true. if you crank back and forth you can bleed the R27s speed and if he does nothing yours will hit first. also the R27T is easy to flare in front aspect.
That does not matter at all when you easily have the best flight performance at the br. the F5E dances on oponents, i usually do very well in it.
Mig-23M/MF are 11.3. they can absoulty face it. and its not like the MiG-23M/MF are good fighters either compared to the Mirage 2000C’s. they have better radar and IR missiles and better flight performance.
IRL means nothing for this game. Also when your getting spiked, its always the enemy now. Unless its a friendly radar gun sight. If you get spiked look in that direction. If you see smoke. start defending
I mean yea pretty much, MiG-21 BVR is a joke and its incredibly slow for its br, all mig-23ml players have single digit IQ’s and usually MiG-29 pilots expect their R27ER to carry them, so when they fire it, they usually dont defend well enough.
The Sparrow is an incredibly good missile and anyone that says otherwise is either lying, or is just bad at the game.
Who the hell plays sim anyways? I play war thunder for fun. If i cared that much id go play dcs or something. If im trying to play a more realistic game i play VTOL VR. Also i always take the F4E out for fun and do well. With the agail eagle slats your way more maneuverable. And the internal vulcan lowers your weight compared to the navy phantoms.
Tip, if you get a lock warning for a extended period of time it probably means they launched. You dont need launch warnings just look around, radar missiles are really easy to spot.
Cope. Good tip, dont get into a situation where you cant notch, use terain or even just dont get shot at in the first place.
I guess if you think you are so good and its not just a skill issue you should have no trouble grinding a vehicle you dont think is unplayable.
Maybe if you guys didn’t just happen to jump into this thread and instead have read the tags, you might have known that everything i wrote is for “Simulator”. Of course i also play realistic and think that F-4S is balanced.
But Air Simulator is a lot different than Realistic and Arcade. Radar and RWR matter A LOT. Theres no matchmaking, only designated BR ranges, such as 11.0-11.7 or 12.0-13.0. MiG-23s are the king of these recent changes because they are always at the top BR. They can’t face 4th gens.
Your vision is fixed to cockpit, limiting your awareness. Theres no markers for enemies, missiles or allies and the game doesn’t visually render players unless you are very close. Your radar is your eyes, having an advanced radar makes everything easier. And almost everyone doesn’t lock you until they get to the NEZ. You can NOT notch or crank if you are inside MAR, especially with a flying bus. AN/ALR-45(V) shows %99 of the signals it picks as question mark. So you can’t know if its an enemy, spaa or ally. And your radar is obsolete compared to what you face, easy to notch. And your sparrows doesn’t have IOG or DL so they explode as soon as your lock is gone or broken.
Do not try to teach me anything if you haven’t played AirSim. You are just making fool of yourself.
Man if you think the F-4S RWR is bad I can’t wait until you see the F1C-200 lmao.
It can carry 4 pretty good radar missiles and has agile eagle if you think F-4S vs R-27ER is Hydrogen bomb vs Caughing baby and it needs to go down to 11.3 I can’t wait until you see F-4S vs F-1. AKA Death Star vs Unborn Child ;)
Personally I only play simulators lately and there you are talking nonsense, the F-4(J or S) is probably one of the best planes at its Br, the mig-23s are really easy to face and the rare Mig-29s are either completely useless (recently I have the impression that the Mig-29 players have become very bad) or know how to play but the quantity of missiles of the F-4 is enough to keep them in check.
For me, if there is one plane that suffers from the latest updates and changes to the BR, it is the Mig-23, not the F-4.
