Just don’t play thouse brackets. I’m playing F-4S only 12.0 at top day. There is only one problem is matra magic 2. F-4S is superoir than Floggers at all aspects. I beat they in BVR and overturn in close fight. Fologgers was nerfed to shit state.
I reckon its because its a premium.
Phantom FGR2/FG1 are 11.3 but the F4J(UK) is 12.0. I reckon its the same for the F-4S. its premium therefore its a higher BR.
That being said, I can see the F-4S being a higher BR than the FGR2/FG1 though as it does have the HMS and the better handling, but 11.7 would be fine for it I reckon, about equal to the Mig-23MLD easily (either that or the Mig-23MLD should be 12.0)
Though of course the inverse is true for soviet aircraft with the Mig-23ML being 11.3 and Mig-23MLA being 11.7
The biggest issue with the F-5s and why I suspect quite a few dont play them all that often is that they dont have IFF in their radars. Whilst they are closed ranged aircraft and so VID shouldnt be too much of an issue, it is a bit of a pain in the arse to play sim with a radar with no IFF (Some personal experience with this as the Sea Harrier FRS1 had the F-5Es radar for 9 month and so no IFF, it sucked)
Curse and blessing both: It makes radar practically useless, so I have it off most of the time (exception ACM in dogfights when I’m already spotted), and detect targets mostly visually and passively via RWR, skimming a lot of the time a treetop height to hunt.
That’s a quite different playstyle and tactic than most other aircraft/pilots use at that BR range, so you can stealthily catch a lot of players that either don’t know you’re there (as you’re not triggering their RWR), or feel safe from you as you’re no threat according to their RWR…
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skill issues, needs to l2p
You don’t even play simulator lmfao.
Your only top tier experience is 2 premium strike aircraft lol.
And it’s even worse in ground lol. It seems like you are the one that needs L2P.
im not the one crying on the forums about the f4s
Then go ahead, buy the F-4S and play it against MiG-29s in simulator battles. I will be waiting for your reply.
american planes makes me puke sorry
You really should learn the art of “If I don’t have anything constructive to say, I don’t say anything”…
Especially as you - as you yourself claim - do not even play that game mode. So why comment or even rant about it, if you 're not familiar with the specific intricacies of that game mode?
OP asked a valid question, that was discussed in detail:
The F-4S is really in a tricky situation in the Sim EC game mode, due to its placement in a BR that only has a small handfull of vehicles which in most cases are in the same team even, meaning the only way to play those aircraft is when choosing higher BR matches.
And as the next BR (12.3) doesn’t even have it’s own bracket, you inevitably have to play those 12.0 vehicles in 12.7 matches, where they’re heavily outclassed in the Sim EC environment.
Sure, you can make them work too, but you’ll always be at a vast disadvantage, which obviously isn’t a lot of fun in the long run…
Welcome to the Club… i don’t think F4s is worst then F104 S TAF…
F104 S TAF is unplayable :)
Why?
How is it worse than the other F-104 variants in its BR in Sim EC? I think there are other aircraft in Sim at 10.7 which I expect to struggle way more…
sorry for not beeing so clear.
I play only RB
if i get upptiered to a game with F14, and now i get uptiered every game (probably due to the f14 event) i get killed by the radar missiles. even if i hit the deck, even if i go around, event if i go to space… i don’t get any warning (probably because of my radar is weak)
maybe i don’t know how to use it, but i do not have the same experience in other planes on similar br.
Ah ok, I don’t know about RB. But in SB it should do quite ok as you can control at what BR’s you operate the aircraft…
i will try it on SB then.
any tips on it? should i go for bases?
thanks again
I don’t fly it myself, but judging from its equipment, I’d expect it to be ok against bases thanks to ok load in conventional bombs and napalm, but it’s of course also an ok fighter with Sidewinders and Sparrows, as all Starfighters especially dangerous because of its speed.
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I’ve had no issues finding sim lobbies in the F-4S during the 12.0 bracket, and it does extremely well because
everything else is being uptiered.
The aircraft I struggled most against was the F1C-200, but it was relatively easy to avoid them. MiG-23s was 50/50 on who would win. Otherwise it pretty much slammed everything else in the lobby.
In general, the conclusion I had
Phantom S is weak at 12.3 and above
And at rate 11.7 and below, it is a very wild and good plane
If it is possible to play only at rate 12, it is very fair, but the matchmaking system of a higher and lower rate is very unfair in all matches.
f4-s now is dead in sim. most of the time its straight up unplayable. idk where guys defending it find their lobbies, but in mine there is always mig-29. a lot of them. and they are better, than my phantom at everything. f-4s was a good premium plane before the snail decided to kill it.
its not about f-4s even. its about anything on 12br. that br is dead since its playing on bottom almost every brecket.
the worst thing is that snail knew whats its doing so it wont change anything. its not a mistake.
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There are brackets where its fighting Mig-29s and brackets where its fighting Mig-23. Pick the right rotation
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