I feel like the average level of sim players is decreasing these days. I don’t know if it’s related to the event but the players are really getting worse and worse.
Yep, during events a lot of people that doesn’t play regularly SB come to SB
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Wrong
The fact that you’re whining about your plane being ineffective in a max up tier is really funny. (USSR/Germany have no broken, under tiered 13.0 planes)
Try playing the MiG-23ML in an 11.7-12.7 bracket and then get back to me.
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All Floggers shouldn’t see 12.7, just like Phantoms. At least theres only 1 bracket for that to happen. Phantom only has one playable bracket and nobody wants to play the red team during that bracket is active.
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There aren’t many (if any) 12.0 red team planes, so there’s no reason to play that bracket.
And while I agree that playing late 3rd gen jets against early 4th gens is tough, the F-4S has it way easier than the MiG-23.
Only plane that I know has it better is the F1C-200, but that one’s not really multirole capable so it’s a tradeoff.
None actually. At 12.0 we have in Sim:
- F-4J (US)
- F-4S (US)
- F-4J (UK)
- Tornado F.3 (UK)
- Tornado ADV (IT)
- JA37D (SE)
- F-4E Kurnass 2000 (ISR)
As the next BR-rotation available is at 12.7, those vehicles basically can just fight each other (for which there are barely matches), or then the 12.7 rotations with those adversaries:
- F-14A/B
- F-16A
- F-20A
- Mirage 2000D-R1
- Mirage 2000C-S4/S5
- Su-25SM3
- MiG-29
- Yak-141
- Harrier GR.7
- MiG-21 Bison
- JH-7A
- F-4EJ Kai
- F-15J / Baz
I’m also of the opinion now that the 12.0 BR is the worst possible…
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I figured as much. This is why I just bomb in my F-4S.
Try playing the MiG-23ML in an 11.7-12.7 bracket and then get back to me.
Sure thing (not exactly ML but MLD):
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Ah yes, the nerved Mig-23s wich have crappy radar now and get defeated by chaff easily. Literally fly above 2000 meters and you defeat the MTI (it needs ground clutter). Done. You defeated the R-24.
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I think the logical solution is to add a BR12.3 battle to the loop, and as the matchmaking limit is stretched, the number of loops should be increased from 4 to 5.
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Well, pointed out main problem already… 11.7 (somehow mainly russian jets). Enjoy being top of the food chain 2 out of 4 and extremely competetive once, resulting in being in highly competetive rotation 3 out of 4 times, 12.0 or 12.3 is absolutely SCREWED in new brackets. Questionable as MLD is easy 12.0 material if F-4J is.
Meanwhile 12.0 is on top ONCE and then getting destroyed by way superior jets. 12.3 cant be even top tier now.
Whoever did new brackets, wasnt thinking whatsoever.
idk man i was flying the f-4j against mig-29s and beating them in dogfights (do not ask how)
This is the Sim forum dude…
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the way the forum is setup by default, you see every single post made regardless of gamemode until you select a gamemode specifically
yes you can see all the posts under “topics” - nonetheless the forum also tells you which subforum you are in, and it is a good idea to not talk about stuff you have no actual experience of.
If you enter game discussion yes, but once you enter a topic, you see what it’s about:
Also, before entering, it’s labeled in the list:
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Im aware
Im not defending Gaijin but, after reading all the topic, I think you want to still have easy kills with the F4S. Even with all those changes, you still have the choice of being the underdog or wait for the top tier, like many other aircrafts. It’s warthunder by the way, everything changes even with premiums, sometimes they get buffed or nerfed (FM,DM, BR, missiles changes, other aircraft changes, etc.).
Just like the old F4S vs MiG23 (undetected by the MiG 23), or like many other aircraft (old M2000C vs F14s, etc). But even with that, is doable.
The F5E is quite a capable aircraft. Yes, it doesn’t has long range missiles or SAR but it’s quite maneuverable, like the F16A (only IR missiles) vs the MiG29 (SAR/IR). Dunno if they had change the MiG23, but I think it is more sluggish than before so is harder to keep and win a dogfight vs F5E.
A lot of top tier battles are still dogfights, even more with the unreliable radar and missiles (semi active and active radar) that are quite easy to dodge, ending in a guns/IR missiles.
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