are you forgetting that the brit 12.0 phantoms already have a significant advantage over the US ones?
they have more powerful engines
Not the F-4J UK. That has the good old J79. It’s an ex-USN one used by the RAF iirc
true, but the two they are talking about do
are you forgetting that american 12.0 phantoms already have a significant advantage over the UK ones?
they have VTAS HMS, and AIM-7F.
:|
Agreeable. F-4J(UK) vs F-4S(USN) case sounds extremely similar to F/A-18C Early (USN) vs F/A-18C (Swiss) case, but it is similar but not the same.
I think I supported the idea of ‘getting an extra 60CM if it was historical’
while neglected ‘buff USN 18C to 12.3’ or ‘gib 9X exclusively’ when forum was crawled with those problem.
:D
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VTAS is convenient sometimes but honestly if I need to get a lock on something quickly PD ACM feels better
true
but that is a very big flight model difference, look at how much better the SEP lines are and the acceleration
also the HMD on F-4J has been very unreliable recently
F4e would like to disagree
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Another great match where Phantoms underperform, it is not skill issue, it is because F-4J/S is in a BR where it cannot perform.
The sooner people get it the sooner GAIJIN can change the fate of F-4 Pilots
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My logic is that Naval Phantoms are focused around SARH missiles, not heatseekers. You already have up to 6 very good SARH missiles on your platform. At 12.0 only Tornado can flex with this amount of good missiles, compared to other competitors you have double or even triple the amount. Sidewinders are suplementary, you don’t need 9L for that. 4J and 4S are victims of br compression, sure (a whole 4th gen aircraft is just 0.3 br above) but it doesn’t mean that 4J or 4S need some sort of buff.
I’m making a collection of the disgrace of F-4J/S Performance at the beutiful BR of 12.0 with no AIM-9Ls.
because in this people minds think because it has HMS it automatically makes it too OP to go down to 11.7 as F-4J/S are currently
1- First of all,
Did I write my reply in non-English? Or you are not using English as your first language (or even second)
I explained the reason, too.
See?
2- Posting a near-duplicate counterclaim which got defeated before can’t make your wrong theory to being right.
3- even if you arrogantly yell that F-4J/S sucks. It won’t gonna change that it is one of the best 12.0BR jets, and there are only worse exist.
About this part, the problem is… 12.3-13.0BR jets like F/A-18A and F/A-18C exist way too low.
4- It is not HMS’s problem. It is a problem with AIM-7F.
Even if we consider USN didn’t develop VTAS HMS just for arguing’s sake.
As long as you have 6 AIM-7F, THERE IS NO REASON to move it DOWN TO 11.7.
The issue is you’re assuming an entire tech tree’s worth of players are just bad. The F-4J is not a premium, and I highly doubt there’s a large number of players skipping the 4C and 4E.
No? Will you get the hell off me if you want to derail the topic with delusional takes to support American bias?
The issue is that OP don’t want to accept that the problem doesn’t come from F-4J/S, but comes from compression.
Yes F-4J itself isn’t premium.
But it won’t change that it will be steamrolled between F-4S basebombers who want F-15C/E badly.
And the majority of them just basebombs in it too.
B-57A/F-84F basebombers get F-104C
F-104C basebomber gets F-4C
F-4C basebomber gets F-4E
F-4E basebomber gets F-4J
F-4S basebomber gets F-4C/E/J.
I admit that there are some fancy, skilled US Main exists too, but being part of the most famous nation lures too many of the newbies, and ends up with a lower average skill level.
But isn’t radar and speed of tornado better, and I couldve sworn it got 9L’s
You say that but at the same time derail the topic by claiming the issue is solely due to U.S. pilots being bad.
Try shooting back more
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Knock it off, will ya?
1- I think you failed to read, because I did not claim the issue solely due to US Pilots being bad.
Awful average skill level of the USA due to being a famous nation, which takes part of this problem
But Compression, which keeps damn F/A-18s shamelessly undertiered, takes a bigger part than that.
(Of course other 4th-gens in 12.3-13.0 too)
2- I really wonder if I didn’t write my reply in English or if you are not an English speaker.
Yeah, honestly Tonka F.3 should’ve been 12.3BR long ago
It is better in many aspects than 12.0 Phantoms.
Except WVR dogfighting maybe?
What if
-BOL acts better as historical
-Compression was not this insane
:/
It is too sad that Tonka F.3 will be DOA in the current 12.3 when F/A-18A stays the same BR.
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Hornet is only good for dogfighting. Seems like Tonka is better defensively, and probably has a better radar and equal/better loadout
And that dogfight capability, which neither F-4 nor Tonka can have, is a good charm in the current meta of WT.
I believe both Tonka F.3 or [F-4J with 9L] in 12.3BR will have no chances against F-16/18, MiG-29, Su-27.
Tonka F.3 should be higher BR than F-4J(both USN/RAF)
But it can’t because of Gaijin’s blunder, as always.