F-4J payload

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One wrong thing which exists doesn’t make two extra wrong things right.

F/A-18A needs to be 12.7BR+ along with every other goddamn jet in the top rank since 12.3BR until 14.3BR.

If that happens, maybe F-4J/S with new AIM-9L can live freely in the new 12.3BR.

Even though Kurnass 2000’s Radar is better than F-4J/S, as long as Kurnass 2000 can’t have AIM-7F, there is no need to keep F-4J lower than Kurnass 2000.

I think,
1- Yes it can. It is one of the historical armaments. I don’t disagree about this idea itself.
2- Not when F-4J remains current 12.0BR.
Sorry, but OP’s idea about
2.1- F-4J/S gets new AIM-9L while remaining 12.0BR
2.2- or get buff down to 11.7BR while maintaining AIM-7F
sounds cope and a bit of American bias.

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This sounds of more to skill issue of american team, than problem of F-4 Phantom fleet itself.

I mean, If American team got massacred in 7.3-8.3BR match against brit-soviet coalition, does that means that American Early jets are unplayable?
-F2H banshee
-F-86A-5 Sabre
-F-86F-25 Sabre

Your nation is one of the most famous nations in War Thunder Air. Of course, many players will get attracted, because the F-15 and F-14 are cool.

It means decreasing average skill level decreases because of newcomers.
So, no. The whole F-4 team got slaughtered within 5min can’t be proof that F-4J sucks and needs AIM-9L.

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The radar is way better on the EJ Kai.

That being said, the Skyflash is an upgraded AIM-7E-2 DF, which is already a decent missile, so I don’t really see a need for 9L on the Brit phantom or a BR decrease.

None of them are the best 12.0 but do they need to be?

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The F-4 radars (except EJ Kai and ICE) arent super forgiving too, which makes it harder for new players

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That is like saying the Aim-7F is only a slight upgrade to the Aim-7E-2, so why does the F-4J need Aim-7Fs, it would be fine with just Aim-7E-2s at 12.0.

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Well, both get upgrades to the AIM-7E-2 DF. Your acting like the 7E-2 is the Brit phantom’s main missile when it isnt.

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The closer equivalent to the Aim-7F is the Skyflash SuperTEMP, which there is an accepted bug report for the all 3 British Phantoms to recieve.

Your acting like Aim-7E-2 is fine for the UK Phantoms at 12.0 but not fine for the US phantoms for 12.0

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They aren’t using the 7E-2 though are they? Please, stop accusing others of things they haven’t done

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They are close enough, with only really an effective range out to about 8km-10km under optimal conditions

Are you saying Aim-7F only has an effective range of 8km?

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That’s similar to the effective headon range for the 7F. Also, I’ve heard the Skyflashes are harder to outroll

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I’ve seen Skyflash DFs miss a target not even trying to defend…

I dont see the relevance though.

Skyflash DF = Aim-7E-2

Skyflash SuperTEMP = Aim-7F

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I’ve seen AIM-7F’s do the same. There’s clips of Buk missiles with their huge warheads and proxy fuses just not working

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the “upgraded” part of the missile was the seeker, as it uses an inverse monopulse seeker, but the aim 9e2 is already modelled like an inverse monopulse like all cw missiles, so currently they are basically the same missile.

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Then maybe it can get SuperTEMP if it’s actually doing that much worse than the F-4J

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iirc it has a much larger proxy range, which makes rolling much less reliable

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Which is precisely the request being made.

With FGR2 and FG1 identical for no reason

Add STs to the FGR2 to maintain it at 12.0

and move the FG1 down to 11.7

or Add STs to both along with 9Ls to the FGR2 and come what may for its BR.

F4JUNK just has no reason to remain at 12.0 and should get a BR drop instead of STs

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Yeah, I know that feeling, I did shit on My F-4J(UK) when it was originally released. :|
(I really weren’t getting into radar things atm)
And felt exactly the same as F/A-18C Early(USN) customers who saw F/A-18C(Swiss) when F-4S came out.

Ah, good old times when F-14A dominated damn matches (/s)

As I told you in a different topic (Maybe AIM-9X one, I guess)
Yes, AIM-7E-2 can be considered as decent, not awesome, but not unusable.

I think we might need one of three on British Phantoms
(FYI: I am a bit worried about derailment because OP originally wanted to buff USN F-4J only)
1- Buff the BR down to 11.7 because AIM-7F is generally better than skyflash. especially in both of long-range combat and 10km head-on.
2- Give ahistorical AIM-7F (or semi-historical SuperTEMP) to make Brit Phantoms similar to USN Counterpart
3- Give historical AIM-9L exclusively for giving advantage over IR AAM (AIM-9L>AIM-9G/H) to compensate disadvantage of SARH AAM. (Skyflash < AIM-7F)

Anyway, back to the original topic
I don’t think the current F-4J(USN) needs to get buffed down to 11.7 or get AIM-9L while staying 12.0.
and disagreeing about OP’s theory.

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and 99% of OPs issues goes away if they decompress 12.0-13.0

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What we all pray for but Gaijin never do.
Right?

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That I can understand, but it’s a little different since every single thing that made the Swiss one better was done to US hornets which made it worse, and for the F-4S it’s the US getting a good version of its own jet, but for the Swiss hornet that isn’t the case, which made it even worse