how many missiles does the f14B have again?
oh thats right 10, compared to 6-8 on the f18A, and you conveniently ignored the ARH missiles which are why the f14s are as high of a br as they are, because even though aim54 is bad people complained enough to get them moved up
F-4FGR2 is among the best dogfight platform at 12.0, unlike the F-4J.
The F-18A does indeed have up to 8 missiles, similar to theF-14B’s 8.
AIM-54s are of course useless against fighters played semi-correctly.
I was wrong on f14 missile count
but that doesnt change the fact that f14b is already one of the worst 13.0s and should probably go down
and IRIAF is fine because the speed of its missiles making it more usable at that br
also ignoring that you shouldnt bring 8 missiles in f18a because that would leave you with only 2 SARHs, so actual loadouts should be either 6 or 7 missiles
and top speed absolutely does matter in your ability to avoid fights you dont want to take, or chase planes that you want to fight
The 11 OP 13.0s should move up leaving the 14 balanced 13.0s behind.
A number of 12.7s should be made 13.0.
And so should F-18A most likely.
Put the F-14B to 12.7 and it’ll destroy 11.7s. Leave it at 13.0 and it sucks. Welcome to the current BR system where nothing can move.
does it really destroy 12.7s?
because id rather play f16aj, and from what ive seen its about as effective as the early mig 29s in game
The F-14B never destroyed 11.7s that were paying any amount of attention, but either way moving 11 OP 13.0s up is easier.
11.7s it would. I don’t think the MiG-23MLD/ML/MLA can detect the missile or radar of F-14B.
We should have more decompression by now. Most of the 13.0s (off the top of my head) would struggle at 13.3
and? it would still get destroyed by 13.7s just like it currently is by 14.0s
also the radar should be detectable by anything that can detect f14a which is already 12.7, so there shouldnt be a massive issue with that
Good point. I think it still struggles with Fox-3s though, and the AIM-54C is better in that regard.
As do most vehicles in an uptier. The only thing moving it down would achieve is allowing it to escape Mirage 2000 and F-15E/I while giving it easy pickings in the MiG-23. I think the F-14B should get its 9Ms and then it’d be fine at 13.0.
So long as the F-104S ASA is at 12.0. Using RWR performance as a justification for X aircraft being at X BR because of its RWR always just falls apart
it isnt, aim54A actually pulls a bit harder making it harder to dodge
the issue is that it is not balanced compared to the other 13.0s, it has no advantage over them besides maybe magazine depth, but all the missile it has are very bad for the BR
though it is not alone in this regard. Sea Harrier FA2 is another that has no buissness being 13.0.
At this point. The yreally need to decompress 13.0+ but 13.0 specificaly is needed yesterday
This. Honestly its hard to argue about BRs at 12.0+ because there’s so many vehicles with way different capabilities that sit at the same BR or a step above/below. The fact they only increase BRs when a new vehicle is massively overperforming is so dumb. The only reason we got 14.0 and 14.3 is because the Eurofighter and especially the Rafale are so insanely good. We got 14.0 because F-15E, EF, RFL and Su30SM are just so much better, but then we got 14.3 because the EF, RFL (and i guess Su-30SM) perform way better than the F-15E.
Yep.
Most 12.0s probably shouldnt be fighting half of what is at 12.7, let alone 13.0.
12.3 makes absolutely 0 sense
and 13.0 could easily be a full BR range in itself
Even looking at something like the Tonka F3. It should really be a higher BR than the FGR2 and is probably on par with the F4EJ Kai and Kurnass 2000. But would be DOA at 12.3
I dont claim forum users are.
Just pointing out his argument of “people in game agree so it must be correct” is flawed.
A lot of it is people running it like you do for the lower phantoms. For stuff like the f4e, you can rush the center and do fine. At 12.0, other jets have similar weapons so its higher risk to rush center.
Maybe i should go play it again to check. Last i played it was maybe 3 months ago
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What kind of a comparison is that lmfao
hahahahaha My team full of phantoms died in 5 minutes, That is why I keep saying F-4 Phantom are garbage in the game, this is just only one match, but it is been like this several times.
F-4 phantoms at any BR can’t cope ¯|(ツ)/
I dont see the “gotcha” moment
A lot of those F-4s are F-4Es and not F-4Js, so they’ve been uptiered, with a clear disadvantage over I assume a lot of Mig-23s and Mirage F1s?
The F-4S players could very well have been people who skipped and my general experience is that F-4S players are not smart or all that good. Many dont even know how to use their radars properly or just base bomb.
just looks like one team got an early game advantage and the match snowballed.
US is also one of the most popular nations in game, and so a LOT of people grind it, quite often its the first nation for a lot of players and the F-4s are some of the first they’ll play with proper BVR combat. I know I sucked when I first got the FGR2, but now I quite happily hold my own in weaker aircraft than the F4J
idk 9L wouldnt increase as much as F16 radar is whats in kai and 9L so its got a better newer radar
F4J has a decent radar but nothing crazy
also at 12.3 theres a plane called F/A 18A which is MILES better than you
honestly all Late phantoms should recieve 9L
