F-4C, F-5C, F-111A, F-105 And the problem with the BR's of these aircraft

Which is not what I am talking about, the answer was about bombsleds like the F-105 and F-111

The F-5s don’t even have UFO flight performance (??)

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it does … in arcade, but that’s irrelevant to this discussion soooooo.

Arcade is a topic I can’t speak on, someone else has to create that discussion.
I haven’t played arcade since 2016

yea it just pulls like 30g turns in arcade but I’ve only test flown it and don’t have it so. also that was a while ago and might have changed since then

They allready do blance the game by just playing.
If metrics are taken by performance of players in airpalnes, that gajin dose the players already blance the game. If you mean manualy then never, to many personal agendas and national pride to stay objective.

Perhaps the biggest issue with the F-4C and F-105 are the complete lack of IR countermeasures. The F-105 is a little better off since it has chaff which allows for it to safely climb to high altitude.

An easy solution would be to simply just give both aircraft Flare/Chaff pods, it’s not the first time Gaijin would be ahistorically adding something to an aircraft for the sake of balance, and I could rattle off plenty of good examples. Now, of course you can make the “THATS NOT HISTORIC” argument, but personally game balance should always take priority over historical accuracy to a degree.

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Or simply move them back to their original BR’s where they were fine

Something tells me Gaijin doesn’t want to do that because of “muh combat efficiency” or some other buzzword like that.

Only problem is when a plane is so shit no one plays it anymore

Ok lmao, let me know when that makes it competitive or even playable at 10.7 bud.

It fights plenty of SARH? I think maybe you are at the adult’s table when you need to be at the kids table… you are clearly ignorant of the discussion’s subject

(The fix is uptiering the F-5E models, not downtiering the perfectly fine F-5C/A models)

Yeah, they do, relative to what they were fighting. They still do since they weren’t moved far but their peers were moved even higher.

Because what we see here today regarding the NEW brs are so clever and well thought out? Piss off with this nonsense.

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They drastically overperform in sustained turns lol, but so do Fishbeds so whatever.

There are more vehicles, from more nations then just America, that suffer on this br.

Compared to vehicles from most minor nations - these things arent as bad.

Let’s say the Q-5L from China.
10,3 - goes 1050 km/h at around 1-2km altitude - insufficient bomb load, as it cannot kill a base in one run.
You also don’t get AAM and 16 flares. The highest bombload is 6x250lbs bombs with 112 kg of explosive TNT.

The F-5C is incredibly good at its current br, surpassing every unlockable vehicle at its br and 0.3-0.4 above.

Try other nations then just America, Germany or Russia. You will find that most nations are suffering way more with theur vehicles at their respective br, then the vehicles mentioned above.

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Not true anymore, thank god.

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They balance it on player performance. This is why you see a lot of criminally undertiered vehicles in nations like USA and USSR. Premium vehicles too. These are all undertiered due to lots of bad players using them, and sucking at it.

Countries like Italy or France have blatantly overtiered vehicles due to much higher average player skill.

This is bad for the game, because if a new player wants to grind, say, France… They get shafted with garbage vehicles and quit.

F-111A was one of the best bombers prior to the changes, better than the F-105D which itself was good.
F-105D and F-111 are good at their new BRs. They can’t die to anything really doing their tasks.

I feel you picked them to compliment your other picks.

Yeah, I’m not gonna lie, the vark is really not feeling good atm. Gaijin refuses to give the vark 9Js, but they decided this update to sneakily change the flares to low caliber, to rub salt in the wounds.

The thud and vark could’ve stayed at their original BRs (10.0 and 10.3 respectively) and they’d be far less painful.

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Me when i try chasing a bomber that goes 1500 on the deck with a G.91YS

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Lol. Hordes of zombies on F-111 attack our airfields every time another event occurs in the game, and the only aircraft that can pick them up at the level is MiG-21S(R-13). BR at the SU-17M2 level is quite suitable for him.

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1500 on the deck? unless you’re bringing one hell of a skimpy loadout, you’ll struggle to reach 1100.

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