I would love to see the raptor in the game. There’s plenty of aircraft and variants to lead up to it though so it may take a long time. With that being said I think they will start with the F-117. For it to be useful though i believe it should be spawned at a great altitude. Even with stealth someone is gonna see it eventually and with it having zero air to air capabilities. The high altitude is needed to stay away from the eyes of fighters for at least long enough to be useful. They didn’t have a radar so they had (i say again) ZERO AIR TO AIR CAPABILITIES. With that being said it had an Infra Red Acquisition and Designation System (IRADS) for ground pounding.
Gotta say, what you have discussed in regards to the Su-57 has been much more informative and puts information that I’ve heard into significantly better context. I respect it as a functioning stealth aircraft now at least.
Deflects nuke, hires doom slayer, I win.
Not related, I’m jp, idk
Wdym?
Maybe use this thread for PL-15
Or this one for both
Basic shape, parts, etc are wrong so no. Might as well be less than 10% accurate.
what exact part are wrong?, How is it less than 10% accurate?, You can’t just baselessly claim it is wrong just because the result doesn’t follow your belief. I would like to any simulation in public sector doing better than that
Better images have surfaced of the intake on the internet since the simulation was made.
The resolution of the model is extremely poor. The intake shape is wrong. The simulation is not valid.
This thread has better images and explanation in regards to the workings of the Su-57 intake.
On the note of the F-22, the air bypass doors and other systems are visible in this image:
Yeah, the resolution of the simulation isn’t the best but to say that it is “extremely poor” is huge exaggeration especially when compared to other simulation that is available in public sector, unless you can rent an anechoic chamber it doesn’t really get better since they all based on mesh. Besides, even the physical model that Central Scientific Research Institute of the Aerospace Forces of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ( NII VVKO) used for RCS prediction of F-35, F-18 …etc aren’t really that accurate to the real thing to be honest.
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This thread has better images and explanation in regards to the workings of the Su-57 intake.
I have read that thread several times before, I still I don’t see how exactly you come up with the conclusion that the inlet shape is so wrong that the simulation is invalid. Especially when we consider that the slanted blocker will cause multi bounce reflection, then with RAM inside the inlet, the multi bounce will reduce reflection strength by -50dB due to multi bounce. So even if they manage to get the inlet shape 99% wrong, the reflection from there only contributed a small part in the total RCS
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Other sims being extremely poor doesn’t make this one any less poor
The models give only a general idea.They don’t give accurate data
Moreover, the air intakes are not modeled at all
P.S I forgot to write it.The models and grid modeling of those guys is shit.
We first need to see how the gameplay with new Fox 3 goes. Adding such modern stuff isn’t good for a game and would be just useless for everyone who wants to enjoy top tier. Its just my opinion but war was always a race about who has the better weapons so its pretty hard to balance it. Cuz they always waant to be better then the other once. Most important is that there is not really a plane which is as strong as such a plane. Maybe as a boss fight but this won’t be added I’m sure.
being poor or good is relative, it hard to argue that something is of bad quality when there isn’t anything better. In this case, the even the physical model used by NII VVKO are quite far from the shape of the real plane
Yes the IRST “bulge” that has a very specific internal design made to mitigate the reflection of radio waves.
Really? The cockpit “strut”? You’re joking, right?
You say it as if it isn’t the exact same here…
Why would I not compare the two aircraft?
The F-22’s stealth performance is overall pretty bad. The F-35 holds its own in average RCS, though the F-22 can only be seen as ahead of it when you cherry-pick peak figures.
The Su-57 has an rcs of ~26dbsm, which is very comparable to the F-35’s frontal average of 25.6dbsm. What the F-35 excels in is peak readings and side / rearwards stealth.
dbsm and m^2 are two different ways of measuring the exact same thing. I take it you skipped logarithms in basic geometry?
That isn’t an Su-57, that’s a T-50. That airframe specifically was created almost a full decade before the first production Su-57 ever had air under its wings.
By all means, find an image that isn’t 13 years old. I dare you.
Those aren’t compressor blades… That’s the inlet blocker specifically designed for the Su-57’s intake.
Even if the engine WERE exposed (which it isn’t), you wouldn’t see compressor blades at all. It’s hard to take you seriously when you’re ignorant of the most basic fundamentals of a turbofan.
It still lacks it? According to what? Even T-50/P03 had radar absorbing grates in the intakes.
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“Extremely classified” does not detract from the fact that there are near exact graphical models of these aircraft, with quite in-depth knowledge of the metallurgy and applique objects.
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Yes, because you are definitely an expert in stealth technology, and those referenced models were definitely privy to the exact TOP SECRET data you don’t have access to and not made from pure speculation…
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2 aerospace degrees, a decade in the military, pilot… I feel like I’m qualified enough to open PORSS and test a model.
By all means, can you explain to me how it would be any different? Sukhoi has released images and even diagrams of their geometrical radar blockers, and have extensive documentation on the composition of their RAM. There are images so close to the OLS-50M system that you can ese the inner workings of it.
I don’t think you understand that something saying “top secret” does not mean it’s entirely unknown. All it means is that the exact specifications to produce, use, or exploit it are compartmentalized and only shown to those with the proper clearance. That does not mean that the systems themselves and their physical attributes are simply blanked out like a poor Google Maps sensorship. The T-50s and Su-57 are displayed publicly on a very frequent basis, with 3 T-50s grounded with the express purpose of being display-pieces.
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