F-15 vs Flanker battlefield

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Inspired by Eurofighter vs Rafale battlefield. Same thing but F-15 vs Flanker.

differences in gameplay, design, capability, etc.

F-15A pros: great speed, good energy retention, 9M are solid, good CM count, ton of 20mm ammo, solid radar
F-15A cons: 9M arent as manueverable as other IR missiles, AIM-7M are pretty lackluster

Su-33/27 pros: great missile load, R27ER clears, R73 is better at close shots, HMS, R27ET, IRST
Su-33/27 cons: energy retention not great, kind of bricks, bad RWR (Su-27), bad CM count (Su-33), meh radar

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early f-15a clears early flanker, later flankers clear later f-15s. pretty simple

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the missiles are generally significantly better on early flankers though

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15A beats 27S in BFM, 27S beats 15A in BVR.

The 27SM loses to the 15C in BVR, but wins in BFM,

The F-15E and Su-30SM… are pretty even. The F-15E is faster so it’s better at BVR, but the radar and R-77-1s hold up the 30SM quite a bit. And they’re both pretty bad at BFM, the 30SM is muchhhhh better at turning but the F-15E is muchhhhh better at energy traps.

I’m ignoring stuff like the 15J and J-11s because I’m lazy.

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does 15JM win in BFM?

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It depends. I think it rates a bit better than the 27SM, but the J-11B should be pretty even with it at rating.
At low speeds, I think the SM is better.

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j11B out performs the SM due to reduced weight

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Huh, alright.

I just know the SM accelerates more at low speed.

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first match in the Su-33, it accelerates and holds speed way worse but pulls harder and feels better at low speed

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after playing a bit more g-loc is my biggest problem but thats a crew level thing. the low number of CM is definitely noticeable too

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Su-27 has better missiles, and even if the F-15A can detect it earlier, the R-27ER is faster than any Sparrow, also AIM-7M loses the track 50% of the time

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Su-33 has canards, and that helps a lot at low speeds

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96 reinforced countermeasures aren’t that bad, and cuz they’re reinforced, it makes it very playable.
ofc Eagle has 240 normal countermesures and can just spam them, not like Flankers, but it stills being enough CMs to fool all incoming missiles

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I’m in the Su-33, it gets 48

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it does not it is equal to the 27SM

there is at most a 0.5° per second difference and that is at speeds you wont be able to sustain in a dogfight

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@Farlexgamer_psn the Su-33 stock grind is way nicer than the F-15A’s, contrary to what you said

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getting 6 73s super early + having r73 stock is super nice

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the ET’s are pretty early too, they are great for hitting shots on running MPing enemies that are out of R73 reach

or just hitting rear aspect shots without alerting RWR

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for the past couple of matches I feel like none of my missiles work even though its within launch conditions, hopefully it passes

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Which missile