F-15 Should be 12.7

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So are we gonna talk about how all the new 12.7 planes still get to fight Phantoms with the now horribly under-armed EJ Kai?

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it’s also wild to think the only difference in armament between it and the F-15’s is swapping to the IRCCM version of it’s IR missile.

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The only advantage that the flanker has over the grippen is the 27ER, and if you haven’t noticed air RB is a multipath meta.

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Tell that to the MiG-29SMT who craps all its speed when it sneezes

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Which, to be fair, makes a LOT of difference, even more so given the chassis

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None of these low skill US pilots see the irony… your crying about how your equally capable jet is somehow worse than EVERY other nation’s 12.7 is so funny.

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And?

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lol? MiG-21 literally is a 2nd generation jet… I swear to god with this forum

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Man, it’s not my fault that a lvl 100 idiot with 35894 battles comes and tries to beat me in spin with a FW190

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its a 2++, which is basically gen 3, and imagine facing a mig 21 in your f9f panther???

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First time I’m hearing of such a designation…

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maybe you should try working on your knowledge then :D

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Neither the Baz nor F-15J went up. That immediately throws out your whining about US pilots. Or do you really think Japan mains are bad too? Lmao

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oh? enlighten me then

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It doesn’t because those 3 planes don’t perform equally. Gaijin just lumped them together. They do this plenty.

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Not really, you’re still 50%-250% less effective in armament than anything at 12.7, and the F-15 doesn’t have the dogfight performance to outclass everything in the game (which is what it would need to have to make it go to 12.7 despite its crap loadout).

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The F-15 can’t outclass everything on performance, sure, but it’s leaps and bounds ahead of the EJ Kai’s 11.7 hardbody phantom chassis (not even the agile eagle slats afforded to the Kurnass 2000 at 11.3).

This, combined with the lack of IRCCM missile, means it’s stuck facing almost-certain doom should it see any aircraft even .3 BR above it…

Whereas, the F-15 has some insane thrust and performance that can pretty easily at least rival a good chunk of the current 12.X planes.

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I mean that’s the same with the F-15, though, in terms of being completely outclassed in every way when it fights planes 0.3 BR above it.

Thrust to weight ratios don’t mean anything without having accompanying dogfight performance, which the F-15 doesn’t have enough of to match the dogfighting-focused jets at 12.7 rn.

Not that I agree with any Phantom in game being higher than like 11.3 - especially the F-4EJ Kai which is just the 11.3 F-4J but with like an extra 180 km/h.

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Literally not even true

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Jets at 12.7 -

  • Su-27 - Better BVR performance (6x R-27ER), decent dogfight performance thanks to HMD + 40G R-73’s (goes from great to decent [at 12.7] because of FM)
  • J-11 - Same as Su-27
  • MiG-29SMT - Better BVR performance (2x R-27ER), good dogfight performance thanks to FM and HMD + 40G R-73’s (and flight performance is only slightly worse than F-15)
  • MiG-29G - Better BVR performance (2x R-27ER), good dogfight performance thanks to FM and HMD + 40G R-73’s (with a flight model on par with the F-15)
  • M4k - Has BVR only a slight bit worse due to the recent drag nerf on the 530D, has much better dogfight performance even without HMD due to having twice the amount of IR missiles (and FM is only a bit worse than the F-15)
  • Gripen (A/C) - Worse BVR, but much, much better dogfight performance thanks to 1.5x the amount of missiles as the F-15 and it gets HMD

So, therefore, it’s either going to get completely obliterated in BVR since half of the planes at 12.7 have two or more R-27ER’s or it is going to get killed in a dogfight by either something with much better flight performance and/or by an IR missile with more maneuverability than the AIM-9M that was launched by a plane with HMD.

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