tbh - they have way lower BR. Why they must be superior in everything?
If you read any of the data I wrote, you would know that is not true.
And, this has nothing to do with MiG-21 - it was simply an example.
But you are so biased, that you can’t even realise how broken F-14 is in the game, at it’s BR placement.
Assumption. I know the F-14 is preeetty unbalanced at its BR, but bumping it up to 13.7 is just crazy talk.
Dont even think about bringing out the “F-14 fanboy” argument either, I havent even played the game with phoenixes besides one match before seek and destroy.
Are they superior in anything meaningful over F-14s?
In low range IR missiles, yes.
And in heat signature
And acceleration.
Single word:
Context
While I did mention placing F-14 at 13.7 BR, it was in context of all the improvements people wanted on them.
If you read posts above, you will see that some people wanted AIM-9Ls, improved RWR, AN/ALR-23 IRSTS, Fuel Totalizer, AoA indexer, auxiliary wing sweep programs and more.
And my reply was in the spirit of “if you want all the improvements, then be ready for BR increase”.
Lemme pose a similar question. Is the F-4J superior in anything meaningful over the F-16ADF?
Ah okay, then I think this is fair, if they give it a better radar as well. front aspect only radar with a 29k foot ACM box is kinda sad.
That’s why I said “meaningful”.
To use either of those, MiG-21 has to actually get close to F-14, which rarely happens.
And even then, F-14 can just turn around, and outrun the MiG-21.
Even if the MiG-21bis has nothing better than the F-14 why does that matter? Its an entire BR lower than the F-14A.
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So, close range fighter cant be close range? Must be superior/on level in BVR?
That’s 0.7 BR difference, actually.
The MiG-21bis is 11.3 and the F-14A is 12.3.
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Then let’s put MiG-21 “Lazur-M” with F-86 Sabre.
Who said F-86 has to be “superior/on level” in flight performance?
Ok since you’re being this crazy with this kind of comparison, the I-16 vs F-15C matchup is really bad as well.
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Funny to see, what youre trying to do.
I’m glad you appreciate it.
Well, I have to keep these crazy comparisons.
I just mentioned MiG-21s as some of the aircraft that had to go up against F-14s, with little-to-no chance of winning, and you people started arguing, like it isn’t true.
You’re describing a compression issue not an F-14 issue. Its the same with the F-4J having to face the Gripen A, literally nothing the F-4J can do. That’s compression.
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You didnt answer my question about the F-4J and F-16ADF.