F-14A/B at 11.7/12.0 is too OP

AIM-9J and AIM-7E-4 which is basically AIM-7E-2 with AIM-7F seakers.

Tbh same as 9H in most of aspects

Not really since after AAM drag nerfs in last year.

AIM-9G/H is better than AIM-9J/P against targets that continue to flee at supersonics because navy missiles has longer ranges.

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Actually, whether it’s one circle, or two circle dogfight, it does not matter.

What is important, is the fact that it is a delta-wing design.

Characteristic of delta-wing is the ability to achieve higher speeds, faster - due to less aerodynamic drag (because of smaller wing surface).

But this comes at a cost.

As soon as you start turning, that same wing starts acting as a giant air brake, and you start to lose speed fast.

Whilst this is common with delta-wing designs, that have a decent engine (because, as I stated above, lower wing drag of delta-wing aircrafts), it’s not very useful in an actual dogfight.

Once you bleed your airspeed, it takes time to speed up, even for aircraft with good acceleration.

And enemy is not going to simply wait for you to pick up your speed.

It’s not the MiG-21 that is in a position to dictate that fight.

As I stated previously, F-14 is faster, and can simply choose to run away if it so wished.

Secondly, F-14 has a great sustained turn, which cannot be said for MiG-21.

MiG-21 was made to do one thing - go straight fast.

Additionally, it’s delta-wing and lightweight design, allow it to perform a strong turn - but only one turn.

Turning in a MiG-21 looks like this:

  • you are flying at 1300 km/h
  • you decide to do a sharp turn, and in the first 180° you lose half of your speed
  • if you continue to turn, those ~ 700 km/h quickly turn to 400 km/h by the time you complete a full (360°) turn
  • you can keep turning, but your airspeed is going to go around 300 - 400 km/h, and your turning curve will be wide
  • only reason why you will be able to stay at those speeds, is because of the engine power, that will keep you hangings in the air, but unable to turn effectively or pick up speed

So in the end, MiG-21 has one ace up it’s sleeve, and that is that strong first turn.

If the pilot can deal with the enemy in that short time window, then great. Otherwise, having lost almost all of your initial speed - you are as good as dead.

That is why MiG-21s are unforgiving to inexperienced pilots. Sure you can move fast on a straight line, and make one solid turn, but if you made an error in judgement, then you will pay for it.

Brother its an entire BR lower. Its not uncommon for an aircraft an entire BR above another to club the other. Take a look at the MiG-29SMT vs F-14A. The SMT has vastly superior missiles and an actual usable Fox 3 paired with an all aspect PD radar. Or even the MiG-29G which is a 0.7BR above the F-14A, it has R-73s, R-27ERs, and all aspect PD.

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R-60 missile has the second worst range (after SRAAM), so I don’t understand your point.

It does matter.

One of the characteristics of it’s seeker head is that is has a lot more narrow FOV then R-60 seeker. That means that once the missile locks it’s target, it’s harder to disrupt it’s targeting, unless some other heat source crosses across that narrow FOV.

That is one of the reasons why R-60 is considered unreliable. It’s seeker FOV is so wide that it covers both the targeted aircraft, and it’s surroundings. Because of this, R-60 has the tendency to follow flares, fired rockets and missiles, sun, friendly aircraft and other.

Sometimes it looks like it would follow anything else, other then it’s intended target.

And this feature also makes R-60 the prime teamkilling missile. It is simply so easy to distract it’s seeker head.

Same applies to R-60.

Once it was known as a good dogfighting missile, but that was long ago. One year ago there were changes in aerodynamic drag on missiles, and R-60 was the biggest loser of that update.

Nowadays, only good thing about R-60 is that it is better then R-3S.

You do understand that F-14 still has longer range in BVR, better dogfighting capabilities and more missiles?

Once again - that F-14 vs MiG-29SMT matchup, is nowhere near as dire as F-14 vs MiG-21.

Less autopilot delay, which gives good advantage in dogfights

And still be usefull

The ER completely outclasses the Phoenix what are you on about. Even if the Phoenix has range it’ll take like 1000years to get there.

Only with phoenix, but you just need to not fly into the missile.
27ER best FOX-1 in game, which can beat FOX-3 carriers sometime.

Both frequent.

The mig-21bis went from seeing a maximum of 4 F-14B and an unlimited amount of F-14A to only seeing F-14A in a full uptier (so max 4). That’s a major matchmaking improvement for the mig21 so why are you still complaining?

Yes, aircrafts from +1.0 are supposed to kick your teeth, that’s kinda the point. I mean how the heck do you think F-14B vs F-15C with 8 amraam plays out?

Using a full uptier scenario as an argument for the “overpowered” nature of a vehicle is ridiculous.

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Phoenix have advantage, but not in wt.
It must use waaay higher loft, which will give a lot of speed during attack from top.

This one was a ping / signal delay issue. By the time server processed the missile / aircraft locations, in relation to each other, the client already sent new aircraft position.

It didn’t.

It was a clear case of “multipathing”.

The way you describe it (“some imaginary multipath target”) is how it works IRL, but that is not the case in game.

Fun fact you make the R-27ER semi stealth with IOG.
R-27ER vs Phoenix lol. This is an actual match of how you can use the ER.

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Which is compensated by the ability to launch sooner.

0 realism in that btw

You can also launch the ER as far as 70km. In the video I sent the launch was like 65km.

How can you call this R-27ER vs AIM-54, when there was no duel at all?

In the video R-27ER was launched far earlier then any return fire was even directed towards the aircraft.

It was a nice case of R-27ER use, but not a clear example of comparison between R-27ER and AIM-54.

The Phoenix was launched at 50km and you can see that by the time the Phoenix was anywhere near me it was losing a lot of speed even though I was loitering at high altitude for so long. The ER on the other hand launched at 65km still had an impact velocity of M2.5 even though the target was much lower and wasn’t heading straight towards me.

You can also see that the ER travelled 40km+ (probably around 50km) while the Phoenix only travelled 30km and was already about to get as slow as the ER’s impact velocity lol.

The point of the video is to show that even if the Phoenix out ranges the ER, the ER is significantly faster at any relevant range.