You and your bro should do yourselves a favor and play only the F-14A. Its BR prevents it from seeing 13.0’s and if you do get an 11.7 match, you will be kings… besides Mirage-2000 ofc : ).
Nah F-14B is much better then F-14A.
With only 0.3 Br differences you will get much better acceleration, 780 countermeasures,proper RWR and Aim-9L’s.
Plus 12.0br means you will regurarly face 11.0-12.0 Jets which makes it ten times better then regular Tomcat.
Honestly i still dont understand why Gaijin hasnt given Aim-9M’s to Tomcat B and make it 12.3-12.7 jet, people usually underestimates how good F-14B is.
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The Mig-29 is a good counter against the F-14, but so is every other SARH missile. If an F-14 is doing Phx spam that means they have only 2 missiles left if they shot all 6, if they shot 4 they have 4 missiles left.
The F-14 can not see everyone on the team so it has blind spots in the radar, and there has been plenty of times that an F-16 or F-4 has made me go defensive right as i was done or just before the last few missiles were being fired. A 40 meter difference in multipathing is NOT a good enough reason to increase the BR simply because you are scared of Aim-54 missiles and want a free path for base bombing.
When there are multiple F-14’s in the air there is so much clutter on the f-14 radar that less planes get taken down as multiple missile tend to be fired at the same target, or you lock another missile in the air and shoot at it. Especially if there are opposing F-14’s, as the Aim-54 shows up on radar and gets cycled through adding to the clutter and bad shots being taken.
You want to counter the F-14 at current BR, fly high. How the spam works is the F-14 has to be going straight and fast Mach 1.2 and above preferably. do you know how long it takes to maneuver the f-14 at 25k feet going Mach 1.2 to 1.4 ? Its nearly impossible to dodge kinetically and turning to fast and hard rips the wings and now your just a falling target.
There is almost always a Mig-29, Su-27, Yak 141 that come against the F-14 and they carry the ER missile. Hell even the Mig 23 can stealth shoot down the 14.
There is no tactical advantage of with just merely shooting the Aim-54. Plenty of times I’ve shot 6 out and no kills, and my team lost. Ive gotten 5 kills with phoenix and another two kills with the 9L’s and my team still lost.
Also did this today with a su-25
The reason your high shot didnt connect, is because the Aim-54 lost energy. The reason people climb high and shoot down is so the aim-54 can retain some energy when going after targets. It does try to loft when shooting at high targets but doesnt retain nearly the same energy when shooting down. I have been killed by another F-14 at Alt because i was flying straight and not paying attention to the RWR and keeping the data link connected.
did you notice that 4 out of the 5 planes you downed were F-4’s? Three being S models and one E… if you look at their loadout i bet you they were bomb/rocket trucking toward bases so they are going in a straight line to the bases racing to beat their team mates to the base then they get smacked with AIM-54’s. The F-5 was probably doing the same thing.
The most planes that get shot down when I do Aim-54 is the F-4’s and out of the F-4’s its the S primarily especially during sales events. Its like Free SL during the sales on PC then consoles. I always look for the radars that are going toward the direction of bases, because they are too focused on getting to their base.
There is no real reason that the BR of the 14 should change, other than people complaining they want a free path to base bombing.
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Exactly, most of my kills with Pheonix’s are against base bombers that just go straight for a base and don’t do anything to avoid it. If I fire on a player who isn’t base bombing 9 times out of 10 the missile will miss because they are actively defending against it.
When in an uptier with either F-14 my Pheonix’s rarely hit because the enemy know how to defend properly.
It’s the same for most vehicles in this game. In a full downtier the vehicle/weapons slap, in a full uptier the vehicle/weapons get slapped. The biggest factor is the player, both ourselves and the other players in the match.
What is needed more than throwing BR’s higher is full tutorials showing you exactly what you should do to defend against each missile (IR/SARH/ARH).
Posted this in the AIM-54 thread proper, but figured some of y’all might be interested as well:
Sparksnotes are:
AIM-54A:
- Launch and leave capability nerfed (need to guide to pitbull or else missile is trashed, basicly making it a weird mix between a fox 1 and fox 3)
- Max G-load buffed to 25g (accurate to irl)
AIM-54C:
- Seeker buff
- Guidance section buff (ie better lofting and energy management)
- 25g overload (should be minimum accurate to IRL)
- Directional warhead and reduced smoke motor when other Fox 3’s also get them
F-14A:
- Stays at 11.7 to see how change to 54A affect its performance, adjust accordingly
F-14B:
- Move to 12.7 with fixed AIM-54C’s
- Add 9M
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Well yes, you’re just basically repeating what I’ve said lol. Low flying targets are giving the phoenix free energy when it’s dropping down on them and as I said it’s mostly premium planes carrying bombs and rockets.
For the first shot my radar gets notched. You see the contact disappearing when the target’s vector gets into a 45 > degree angle so it just never found the guy with only IOG as he changed direction.
Point is, people need to re-wire their brain and stop systematically flying low because it’s not a good strategy anymore against radar missile.
The F-14B should also get better SARH missiles, but with those fixes it should be 13.0 and decompress the BRs.
F-14A should be 12.0 no matter what. Screw that jet
The F-14B is definitely not 13.0 material even with those changes, you’re forgetting the lack of HMD virtually all 12.0+ jets have but most importantly no All-aspect PD radar, which is its biggest weakness.
The RWR is also subpar but not a major issue.
If for you this is 13.0, what br would the F-14D (if no Amraam) be?? 13.3- 13.7 ?? Doesn’t make sense.
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F-14D can be the one added for 12.7.
The other two should keep their loadouts as unique aircraft.
You support copy-paste right? That’s why you’re suggesting F-14B and D have identical loadouts…
lol You refuted your own legitimacy with that claim.
That’s what the F-14D should have.
Sure, when the following aircraft are also 12.0: Mirage 2000 C, F-4EJ Kai, Mig-21 Bison.
Of course F-4J, F-1C, Kurnass 2000, and Tornado ADV have to go to 11.7 for balance.
And of course every aircraft 12.0 and higher has to go up by 0.3.
Which leads to Mig-21Bis going up by 0.3 and a number of other aircraft.
Which leads F-8E and other aircraft to go up by 0.3.
Which leads to F-104C to go up by 0.3.
Which means 9.3 air is finally decompressed.
Better SARH missiles don’t exist, and it physically cannot be 13.0 no matter what you give it.
F-14B is Mig-29 equivalent. Every 13.0 in the game is vastly superior, and most 12.7s, including F-4F ICE, is superior.
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I see this loadout quite often recently, but probably just due to the players wanting to check out the MP changes, and AIM-54 works quite well against the brainless premiums on sale right now.
It is unskilled premium pilots who forgot they have an RWR.
Clearly youre doing it wrong.
No, learning to notch and chaff is the most consistent. IOG is useless once you fool the seeker with chaff. Outpulling depends greatly on your airframe.
Bad launch. Front-side aspect gives the missile a colder aircraft to see.
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The BRs should be higher, so yes.
It still has TWS, and with fixing and buffs it should absolutely be 13.0.
Is it because it’s good in a down tier or because it’s good at it’s br? In a down tier it’s a menace but so is every other aircraft at 12.0. In an uptier it sucks
Id say its balanced. Only performs well in downtiers due to the premium bomber decimators you can bring 6 of.
Yeah, move them all up, what’s wrong with BR decompression?
Max BR shouldn’t be 13.0(like I said in my post) so move them all up and decompress the BRs while you’re at it.
It’s such a fake problem like “uhhhh we can’t move this vehicle here because it would be useless vs this other vehicle” then you have “but this vehicle would be too strong at this BR because it’s wayyyy better then these vehicles!”
Move the max BR up, shuffle the vehicles around, annnnnnnndddd done.
Gaijin can add AIM-54C+ which is last variant of Phoenixes…
It is primarily a model with improved ECCM performance, but the major difference is that the missile itself had a simultaneous cooling mechanism.
The F-14A and F-14B in the real life require the use of external bottled coolant attached to the pylons on the front of the fuselage(station 3/station 6) for using AIM-54s.
That’s means F-14A/F-14B should not be possible to carry x2 AIM-54s in the rear of the fuselage and wings without using x2 front pylons but, F-14D doesnt need.
F-15A does not have access to fox 3 missiles. You really needed to ask this?
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The F-14s don’t have access to AIM-120s either, so they’re the same.
Phoenix is the AIM-7D of ARHs.
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I mean, a lot of vehicles don’t have access to the same features that see each other.
Like, you compared the F-4F ICE earlier. Yeah, it had a really good radar, and 4 ARHs…but that’s it.
It’s lacking in pretty much every department and thanks to its 12.7 BR it sees vehicles that far surpass it every single match(if you have a 11.7 match in the F-4F ICE then I imagine he’ll froze over) so it has to make due with its “bonuses”
That’s kinda why I feel like it’s a bit pointless to argue these points as long as we have these insane and or stupid/pointless/arbitrary BR caps that just serve as a way to increase frustration in the grind and make people GE the next module and or vehicle in order to cut out the sad(and also to feed the whales who paid ti have the best of the best before anyone else)
Phoenix missiles and aim-120 are both ARH missiles. An AIM-7 is a SARH missile, which would be a fox 1. You clearly dont have a clue what the fox system means.