the squad vehicle A-4E early is an example.
The AJ37 and AJS37 gets a tiny dot on the target but not the line IIRC.
Ok. Sadly I don’t have those aircraft to check it out.
A-4E early able to see for everyone, because of it’s squadron vehicle
Ahh, I misunderstood him. The F threw me off. I do have the A-4E so I can check that out. Thanks.
Yeah, mistyped lol XD fixed it.
@Schindibee and @Necronomica here are the screenshots for the F-111 and F-15C showing the CCRP mission target sights. I will explain both below, and explain the A-4E first with no pictures. Keep in mind that for these to work, you need to select the target and then switch your sight mode to bombs (auto) for it to display correctly. Key note: Your team needs to have the airfields “spotted” (for lack of a better word) in order to designate them as a target.
The A-4E does not have bomb sight option and when trying to cycle through them it says “no ballistic computer”. You can visually aim and use “sight stabilization” or “activate target point” it will activate the CCRP on the location the sight is pointing at and it will release the bombs on the target like it should but has no other visual cues on where or when it will happen. You must do all of the work yourself for designating and lining up a target. I would imagine that it is possible to use “switch mission bombing target” , but you would have to guess which target is selected, so I would advise against it.
These two pictures are in the F-111. You can use “switch mission bombing target” and it will somewhat show you when you are approaching the target selected, but will not show you the direction. If you look at the bottom of the ring sight it has a gauge that fills the bottom half of the outer ring. That shows how close you are to the target and when the bombs will release. The top picture is right before reaching the release point. The bottom is further away from the target. It won’t guide you directly to a target, but will give an indication that you are closing in on whatever target is selected. You must line up to the target using the map if you do so correctly, it will hit the base/airfield selected.
This is the F-15C. It gives full target location and line for proper drop aiming. I am just taking off from the airfield (you can see it in the bottom left corner) and in my sight you can see the target line and at the bottom right of the gunsight circle on the line you can see the square that represents the selected target. It will guide you to the target from the airfield, you just need to orient yourself to where you can see the line in your gunsight. Then simply fly to the location and hold your keybind for drop until it reaches the correct release point and you’re good. This could/should allow for high altitude level bomb releases to keep you out of danger, just keep in mind bomb accuracy/drift if you are trying to hit bases instead of airfield targets.
I hope this is helpful.
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Thank you!
So it’s as I feared: Not fixed yet.
It’s crazy that such an aircraft is implemented in WT without any means to find its target. Makes the whole CCRP useless. Meanwhile older crates like the F-84F have a perfectly well working display method for target azimuth.
Just imagine this conversation, somewhere in 1967:
USAF Instructor, proudly tapping side of factory-fresh F-111: “So what we have here is the F-111A, America’s newest supersonic, medium-range, multirole combat aircraft, capable of bombing targets with high accuracy and precision in all weather, all around the clock. For this, it uses a CCRP bomb delivery method that automatically releases the bombs at a perfect time to hit the target.”
F-111 Pilot trainee: “Cool! This will be very useful! Where do I see where my target is?”
Instructor: “What?”
Pilot: “What?”
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Here’s something from the manual (If there are any mistakes, I’m sorry, just copied this from PDF scan):
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LEAD COMPUTING OPTICAL SIGHT SYSTEM (AN/ ASG-23).
The lead computing optical sight system (LCOS) provides the aircraft commander with information required to accurately deliver gun fire or missiles against aerial or ground targets and to deliver bombs or rockets against ground targets. The LCOS also provides homing, navigation, and landing information. The LCOS consists of a lead and launch computing amplifier, a lead computing gyro, and an optical sight and control panel. Information is displayed on the optical sight in the form of two presentations: an aiming reticle presentation and a command steering bar presentation. The LCOS utilizes 28 volt DC power from the main DC bus and 115 volt, three-phase , 400 cycle, ac power from the left main ac bus. -
LCOS AIMING RETICLE. The aiming reticle, (figure 1-34), which is a lighted image projected on the optical sight, consists of a 2 milliradian center pipper, a 30 milliradian circle, roll reference tabs, a 50 milliradian circle, fixed index reference tabs and range scale, an analog bar presentation, and two deviation indicators. All elements of the aiming reticle are lighted red and are fixed with respect to one another as the aiming reticle display moves about on the optical sight. Pitch limits of the aiming reticle are +2° to -11 °. Azimuth limits are ±5.5°. The analog bar appears as a bar of light on the lower half of the 50 milliradian circle. The bar represents radar range deviation in gun, rocket, dive bomb, and GAR-8 modes and pitch angle deviation in loft bomb mode. When a target has been acquired by the attack radar system, the analog bar will appear. In the gun, rocket, and dive bomb modes, the 3 o’clock position of the analog bar represents the maximum range in feet as set on the control panel plus 3000 feet. The 6 o’clock position represents maximum range, and the 9 o’clock position represents maximum range minus 3000 feet. In the GAR-8 mode, the analog bar represents the r a nge envelope of the GAR-8 missile. The 3 o’clock position represents the maxi-mum missile firing range plus a fixed value . The 6 o’clock position represents the maximum range, and the 9 o’clock position represents minimum launch and breakaway range. In loft bomb mode, the analog bar represents deviation from a pitch angle preset into the glide/dive angle counter on the bomb nav control panel. During pull-up for a loft bomb delivery, the analog bar will recede from the 3 o’clock position (set angle minus 15 °) toward the 9 o’clock position (set angle plus 15 °). When the analog bar passes through the 6 o’clock position, the airplane pitch angle equals the preset angle and the LCOS will generate a weapon release signal. The three movable indices of the reticle display are the roll tabs. The roll tabs indicate airplane roll attitude. Roll tab ref-erence indices are located at nine, twelve, and three 01 clock positions on the 30 milliradian circle. The deviation indicators to the left and right of the reticle rings indicate aircraft performance and attitude deviations from preset conditions. The left hand deviation indicator displays deviation from G, pitch, or glide slope, depending on selected mode of opera-tion. In the COM, GUN-AG, RKT-AG, DIVE BOMB, and HOM modes, the indicator displays deviation from the pitch angle set into the glide/ dive angle counter on the bomb nav control panel. In the LOF BOMB mode, the indicator displays deviation from a fixed value of 4 G’s. In the GAR-8, GUN-AA, and LEV BOMB modes, the indicator is zeroed. When the instrument system coupler mode selector switch is in ILS or AILA, the left deviation indicator will always present glide slope deviation regardless of the position of the LCOS mode select switch. The right hand indicator displays deviation from the air-speed preset into the true airspeed indicator on the LCOS control panel. In the GAR-8 and GUN-AA modes, the indicator is zeroed. In GAR-8 mode, a G limit indication is provided. The 6 o’clock index area of the 50 milliradian circle will be blanked out when the G limit of the GAR-8 missile is exceeded.
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COMMAND STEERING BARS. The command steering bars (figure 1-34) are pre-sented as a vertical bank steering bar and a hori-zontal pitch steering bar. The steering bars are lighted g-reen a nd are in parallel with the ADI steer-ing bars. The aiming reticle pipper is used as the zero reference point for the steering bars. During a I loft bomb delivery, at point of pull-up, the pitch steering bar will command a fly-up signal. The pitch steering bar indicates a deviation from 4 g’s. Full deflection of the bar indicates a 3g deviation from the fixed 4g value. When operating the attack radar in I the air mode. placing the instrument system coupler mode selector knob to the AIR/ AIR positio n will pro-vicle both bank and pitch steering commands to the target. _The command steering bars function independently of the LCOS mode select knob. The operator has the option to having the bars displayed by use of the eommand bar brightness knob.
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When the LCOS mode select knob is placed to the DIV BOMB, RKT AG or GUN AG, the attack radar and TFR are used in conjunction with the LCOS for air-to-ground ranging . Under this condition the attack radar and TFR ground mapping or situation scope presentations will be unusable and should be ignored.
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Nice job man!
So then i think there is probably more planes that actually visually indicate the CCRP but in a way where it isn’t obvious for a new user (which should be in some sort of tutorial and not hidden somewhere obscure on a forum).
The issue of not showing where on the map the target is selected still remains though.
(i also had an extra look at the AJ/AJS37 and there seems to be some sort of indication of CCRP in the bombsight but to actually know it i would have to look at the real manuals for those planes).
the issue of what target is selected still remains though.
I also got to play my Su-25K and Su-22M3 and they both have a cross type indicator on the target that shows you where it is. It just shows the location, so lining up at high altitude could be very difficult because you effectively have to look at the target to line up the drop. Pretty great for searching and navigating to targets for low level bombing though. I wish I had higher BR Russian, French, and Swedish jets to see their more advanced systems.
This whole thing is getting me interested in flying out in Sim again to grind my Russian tree. Thanks.
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I don’t understand this…
Basically any Phantom
F-105 too.
There is a great video source of old US aircraft. PeriscopeFilm on YouTube.
This is an issue with more aircraft than just the F-111. Lots of aircraft have unusable or broken HUD. Some aircraft even have the wrong HUD’s and even those are broken and missing features. Reports about these have been made for a long time and yet we rarely see any improvements to them.
I know. I fight for it on my side as much as I can.