11.0 for the F-104S TAF or any F-104 be it the Techtree S of S ASA which is even higher, is not justifiable.
The way this game works puts you in an Uptier 9 out 10 games and you are Facing Mig-29’s and F-16’s.
Now if any of you think that the F-104S TAF is good at 11.0, well i got this to say.
You are entitled to your oppinion even if you are wrong.
Just look at the F-4EJ it sits at 11.0 and is by far a way more capable jet at its BR not just in terms of Flight Performance but also in weapons.
The only reason why the F-104S went up was because of complaining A-10 and Su-25 sweatlords that got murdered by the F-104 and could do very little against them.
But hey thats what you get when you take a slow strike craft into air RB
The only advantage of the F104 is the speed, considering the f104a is 9.3, it is not acceptable to say that because the f104 is too fast it needs a higher BR, so it is better to make the most of F104 -0.3,
By the way, in 11.3, The 104ASA SL speed is lower than mig23ML, and F104ASA’s RWR is still broken.
It is quite funny how almost all of the complainers who complain about changing the F-104S to 10.7BR from 11.0BR ignore that F-104G(Germany) is sitting at 10.7BR with x4 AIM-9J and it is pretty decent.
Maybe because 10.7 do not see the same ammount of 12.0 battle that 11.0 see?
Or the fact that even 11.3 planes are far faster and better armed than the 104S?
The F104 S TAF have speed as his only selling point and is constantly forced to play against planes that you can’t even be compared to
But your beloved 104G is fine so fuck italy right?
I Dont’ know either. I play my taf hoping that a mig 29/F14/F16 don’t just decide that he want an easy kill. This is why air combat mode is also the only game mode that i play in arcade from time to time
F104ASA’s RWR is broken, which means when the RWR rings, you don’t even know where the missiles will come from, even if they are 11.3 jets, I think all of f104 should -0.3(except F104A in 9.3)
This is the reason why the F-104S and most 11.0BR aircraft are suffering in current meta.
And that is mainly due to the horrible matchmaker and BR compression in Jet RB match, NOT the unjustifiably high BR of the F-104S.
BTW, I’ve heard F-104J that doesn’t have CMs will get x6 AIM-9Ps in next update. It will be very interesting to see how that will work with the current Jet RB because F-104S was 10.7BR when they didn’t have CMs.
It is also the br of that plane because you can move up all the 11.3 planes to 12.0 and the issue of the 104s will remain
is an inflexible plane with a single selling point (speed) and limited option of weapons that will still face planes that are better in every single aspect and that are armed with all aspect/radar missile that you can’t deal with
To take things in prospective, i feel like the F-104S have the maus issue
You can’t really move it down because it can be too strong but you can’t also keep it like this because is unplayable even against some same br planes
Recently got the F-104S TAF and its easily my worst vehicle without a doubt, my Tornado GR.1 is something I’d prefer to play and I already dislike that vehicle in anything but Ground RB, this thing being at the same BR as the J-7E is absolutely criminal.
I’ve recently gotten Top Tier Italy Ground and wanted something to complement it, I already had Helicopters and the last thing to get was Air. I’d like to see myself as someone who’s good at Air RB, the only option to grind Air Italy was the F-104S and I wasn’t interested in waiting 10 years to receive more shi# so I decided to purchase it today.
After couple matches I made the conclusion this thing is in dire need of the AIM-9P4 or a BR decrease, this thing at 11.0 will be sucked up to constant uptiers which is unbearable, many vehicles like the smooth brain F-20A warriors will see you, lock onto you with extreme tunnel vision, out speed you and slaughter you without more than 2 IQ being put into it.
After I’m done with Italian Air I’m going to attend therapy to help heal me from this disgusting monstrosity
I should also mention ABSOLUTELY NO F-104 should be fighting a F-16
Completely agree, i got it to grind Italy and is by far the worst plane i’ve played, playing a biplane at 11.0 would likely be more entertaining.
6 AIM-9P at 11.0, literally no turning capability on 11.0 and most planes at this BR range have similar speed to you.
If you climb to boom and zoom which is the only thing this thing is good at, you will get immediatly killed by AIM-7Fs or Phoenixes, if you try to bomb bases flying low you will most of the time get killed by someone whith All-aspect missiles coming the opossite way, which are fairly common at this BR, or a F4 will beat you to the base and get the base with rockets before you can drop your bombs.
I will repeat again: Literally a non-turning aircraft with decent speed and rear-aspect missiles at 11.0 against an entire BR range with radar and all-aspect missiles.
I started writting my matches on it for the last week, and here it is: 42 games, of which 34 were full uptiers to 12.0 against F16, Mig 29, F20 and F14B. (80.9% of 1.0+ uptier matches).
The F-104S variants shouldnt be 11.0, I agree they should be 10.7 or 10.3 because they have a soft lock speed at 1.4 Mach which they cannot surpass spaded or non without wing ripping. The AIM-9Js and Bs are rear aspect ONLY and never hit their targets because of their flare hungriness. Aim 9js and Ps dont have good manuverability nor do they have good flare resistance. Also if you seriously think it has Aim-7E2s then you are absolutely high, it has Aim-7E1s and NO PD. 99% OF THE TIME NO MATTER THE RANGE OR ALTITUDE YOU LAUNCH THE HORRIBLY SLOW AND UN-MANUVERABLE MISSILE. IT. WILL. GO. STRAIGH. INTO. THE. GROUND!!!. F-104S HAS NO VERSATILE ATTRIBUTES SINCE IT HAS THE WORST POSSIBLE MISSILES FROM 10.0 TO 12.7 WITH THE WORST MANUVERABILITY OUT OF ALL JETS IN THE GAME, COMBINED WITH ONLY GOING AGAINST PD RADARS, JETS THAT CAN COBRA AND OUT RUN YOU AND THE FACT THAT YOU WILL GET UPTIERED TO 12.0 60%OF THE TIME
Let’s compare it with the (fighter) competition!
F-4E/EJ/Kurnass: 4xAIM-9J + 4xAIM-7E-2 (without having to sacrifice its gun), 90 flares, even more CAS options, somewhat slower, better maneuverability
MiG-21bis (all variants): Faster on the deck, 6xall aspect missiles, less ammunition, much better maneuverability, equivalent countermeasures, much worse CAS options
MiG-23M/MF: Also faster on the deck, 6xall aspect missiles or 4xall aspect and 2 relatively good radar missiles with PD, very low CM count, much worse CAS options, better maneuverability
J-8B: Unsure, would be nice if someone could fill in
JA37: Sometimes capable of catching it, haven’t gotten any good experience fighting it, 0 useful CAS, equivalent missile count with the exception of doppler radar (while keeping its gun), somewhat less countermeasures, better maneuverability
Take this as you wish
Addendum 1: The Radar Warning Receiver or the F-104S is incapable of picking up the J-band, and therefore both the Sapfir-21 (MiG-21) and Sapfir-23D/TP-23 (MiG-23) are invisible.