Also, F-104 had speed instead of agility. If he loses his speed advantage, what is it then?
Also at 10.3 you have an F-104J, which doesnt have bombs but has ability to carry 6 heat seekers
The F-104G has flares and superior missiles to the F-4C while being faster. As for the MiG-21SMT, it’s 10.3 and I also think it’s a bit slower (not sure).
You also have to think of what’s under 10.0 that you will face. The F-104C is at 9.7, you have better everything compared to it
Ah, F-104s, the bane of my existence at 8.3, my delicious food at 11.0
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tbh I would be fine with 10.3, im just asking for br F-104 can have its speed advantage
how do F-4s overtake me then
You have a higher top speed and better climb/acceleration than a F-4C, but that doesn’t grant that you will always be faster than everyone. If you bleed speed and a F-4C doesn’t you end up slower until you accelerate again. You just gotta keep your speed because the F-104s are all about that
It should go to 10.7, and then maybe if it still looks ok it can go down the 10.3 (doubt). You see the game is terribly compressed, you can’t balance a plane by just looking at what’s above, you also have to look below. You can’t end suffering without creating more somewhere else, balance is about giving everyone their fair share of suffering.
That would be solved by decompression but BVVD thinks we’d rather get faster into worse matches than wait more to have a better time
You are asking for too much with 10.0.
You know people in this community, anytime they have an issue it’s either increase their opponent’s BR by at least a bracket or decrease their own BR by that amount. They just don’t want to face the plane(s) ever again, they don’t think a minute about the balance as a whole
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like on the start of the match and in airspawn, I am rushing to base and F-4 that was 1.5 km away from me overtakes me somehow?
isnt the F-104J with 6 heat seekers at that br?
i did in fact, I still dont see the issue with fighting MiG 21s?
maybe they start at a higher speed? idk, I don’t play that bracket a lot and I never bomb bases
the F-104J has no countermeasures if I’m not mistaken? That’s a serious problem above 10.0
I wasn’t referring to you specifically. But honestly, without any personal offense, asking for the F-104G to be 10.0 indicates that either you didn’t think about balance seriously or your understanding of it is very limited. You were suggesting that a F-104G would be fine against a 9.3
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u are right about that, ill admit it, but you are saying F-104G is fine against 12.0?
Of course not, but that’s compression. Notice I didn’t even mention 9.0 here, because no 9.0 is fine against any of the good 10.0s. But putting the F-104G at 10.7 would already mean you never see 12.0 again
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ur right, but I will still see 23s
Most planes have their nemesis you know. Take the Mirage IIIC for example, it’s an excellent aircraft at 10.0: no flares but a really good instant turn rate and 3 amazing missiles for the br. But at 10.3 it sees the MiG-21SMT: flares, good instant turn rate too but with more thrust, and excellent missiles (sensitive to flares but you don’t have any).
So what do I do? Avoid getting in a vulnerable position. I can promise you if I get a SMT on my 6 within range of its R-60, I’m 100% dead, but that’s my fault.
Almost everything has counters, you gotta learn to deal with them. I don’t know how because I haven’t played the F-104G, but there must be. I suggest you go to the academy section, there are really skilled players willing to help
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yeah I guess…Maybe it would be good to have some kind of in-between br where would be F-4C and MiG-21s with F-104G and similar aircraft…but i guess its just too complicated. Anyway, thank you for your feedback and advices!
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There is something for that: decompression. Putting all aircraft further apart from each other so an aircraft can be at a BR where it neither suffers much too much in uptiers nor bullies too much in downtiers. The main downside of it would be longer queue times (because there will be less people in a given bracket) but I’d rather wait longer for more enjoyable matches. Heck, in some planes I literally leave the game if I get a full uptier…
But BVVD thinks we have an attention span of 5 seconds so let’s keep suffering
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I 100% agree with this!
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