F-104G should be at 10.7 or a br decompression

They dont help much when someone is chasing you, as you have to turn off afterburner and 23 catches you

You know it’s the MiG-23 that has the 6 pops right in a normal engagement, the MiG-23 just dies to IR missiles like Magic 1/2 or 9J/L because it almost has no CMs

he can just turn towards me, making it unable to lock with rear aspect ir missile

and i cant turn again, im in F-104

The F-4E radar will lose the lock when it sees chaff, bcause it will very likely switch track for the chaff, even in a head-on.

But the missile will reject the chaff and still track fine IF the target is still inside the illuminated/painted zone by the F-4E radar. If you manage to escape that “cone” projected by the radar, the missile will also lose track of you because it won’t see any radar reflection of your own plane.

Usually, the best way to evade them is to chaff as soon as possible, you can even pre-chaff before launch, and turn to any side to escape the painted zone as soon as possible. It’s quite easy to evade them unless he is launching very close to you with a proper lock

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10.0 is the BR of F-4C, Mirage IIIC, J35D, F-105D etc. The F-104G has no business there. Why do people always have to ask for absurdly big BR changes everytime they suffer with a vehicle, like do yall realize how much a 0.3 difference can do?
MiG-25PD is annoying? 13.0!
JA37C is annoying? 12.0!
F-104G suffers? 10.0!
Yall gotta calm down a think a bit about what the numbers you throw actually mean

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You are asking too much

True, my bad

Thanks for the advice! I tried turning tho, but F-104 isnt really good at that…I will try pre chaffing tho!

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well F-4C and MiG-21 both can compete with F-104, and I dont think that is a big issue? Well sorry if I am so wrong, I am just tired of constantly dying to AIM-7s

Also, F-104 had speed instead of agility. If he loses his speed advantage, what is it then?

Also at 10.3 you have an F-104J, which doesnt have bombs but has ability to carry 6 heat seekers

The F-104G has flares and superior missiles to the F-4C while being faster. As for the MiG-21SMT, it’s 10.3 and I also think it’s a bit slower (not sure).
You also have to think of what’s under 10.0 that you will face. The F-104C is at 9.7, you have better everything compared to it

Ah, F-104s, the bane of my existence at 8.3, my delicious food at 11.0

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tbh I would be fine with 10.3, im just asking for br F-104 can have its speed advantage

how do F-4s overtake me then

You have a higher top speed and better climb/acceleration than a F-4C, but that doesn’t grant that you will always be faster than everyone. If you bleed speed and a F-4C doesn’t you end up slower until you accelerate again. You just gotta keep your speed because the F-104s are all about that

It should go to 10.7, and then maybe if it still looks ok it can go down the 10.3 (doubt). You see the game is terribly compressed, you can’t balance a plane by just looking at what’s above, you also have to look below. You can’t end suffering without creating more somewhere else, balance is about giving everyone their fair share of suffering.
That would be solved by decompression but BVVD thinks we’d rather get faster into worse matches than wait more to have a better time

You are asking for too much with 10.0.

You know people in this community, anytime they have an issue it’s either increase their opponent’s BR by at least a bracket or decrease their own BR by that amount. They just don’t want to face the plane(s) ever again, they don’t think a minute about the balance as a whole

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like on the start of the match and in airspawn, I am rushing to base and F-4 that was 1.5 km away from me overtakes me somehow?