100% expecting them to behave like SRAAMs did/do. Just random flip outs
sounds like another 5000 buffs to the rafale are in order if that happens
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kinda sad that SRAAM was more reliable pre “fixes” as it would probably hit within 1.2km.
nowadays id usually hedge my bets with a 9E over a SRAAM…
I don’t know if I necessarily agree with that, had many spin out before, but they are far from what they should be
Maybe im missing the absolutely insane off boresight hits that actually let a dogfight missile be used in a dogfight.
i could instantly end scissors or two circles with it. my highest kills match in ARB was with old SRAAM from that, 7 kills and 6 of them were nasty SRAAM smacks.
Hope ASRAAM does crazy stuff up close, but im looking forward to having an IR missile for more than 2km that will hit reliably
Well, most of the reports that actually matter for the EFT to compete with 5th gen are common with the rafale, and vice versa, so I better hope that both get their 5000 buffs
But overall the latest 4.5+th gen aircrafts all definitely need more accurate modeling of what sets them apart from other 4.5gen aircrafts in order to better compete with 5th gen, and the good thing is that many mechanics can and should be added to multiple vehicles at once (looking at you Russian/Chinese only ECM)
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almost like the rafale is just a eurofighter made only be dassault after they got kicked out for trying to take over the whole project lol
properly modelled Eurocanards are going to give the 5th gens a real tough run for their money with how WT air battles pan out. i hope that gets reflected
Quite the oversimplification, but yeah, both planes are relatively similar in the end, as both projects come from the same initial drawings
Yeah, if say the IRST and other ECM/ESM modules are correctly implemented on both 4.5 and 5th gen, I honestly think that the f22 might have it’s work cut out for it. The F35 probably will be quite a lot better contrary to what some people might think, just because the F22 will be lacking in the more modern systems that equip late 4.5 and 5th gen stuff.
We will see how much stealth helps if(/when ?) we will be able to fire long range IR missiles through IRST on a f22
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My experience with SRAAMs was them flipping out at any target within 450/500m and failing to hit anything further than 800-900m away
Its not the only time a project has or almost burned becasue Dassault was greedy and impossible to work with thats all im saying before certain people come out of the woodwork.
I agree with the sentiment about F-35 potentially doing better than F-22 however i think this is more the case for exported F-35s that use meteor, ASRAAM and IRIS-T over AIM-9X and AIM-120D having better tools at their disposal. But this requires gaijin to accept that the russian tree will fall behind rather aggressively as they dont have anything that even compares to such monstrous tech and model them right
before the buff? I would get reliable 1.2km hits if the target wasnt turning and firing from 400m quite far off boresight was pretty reliable if they were subsonic and you were using the hunter (so not firing them slower than 550mph on the crappy FM of harriers)
This was a normal experience for me with SRAAM and what im expecting from IRIS-T
strange. never had such an issue in RB. the missile still sucked but it was workable
That’s not what happened tho. France themselves had specific requirements, mainly the carrier landing and nuclear carrying capabilities, and Germany especially was not willing to participate in the development of an aircraft that fit these conditions. The consortium was at a deadlock hence why France left the project at the time.
The more recent FCAS troubles is also not just Dassault being willfull. The project architecture and chain of responsibilities being changed right in the middle with the addition of Spain is what brought the project to an end, as Dassault felt they couldn’t fulfill their roll as an architect with Airbus having 2/3rd of the votes (and yes, Airbus defence spain is closer to a subsidiary of airbus defence germany). Dassault decided to not compromise, as they initially agreed to let Airbus lead the other modules of the projects while they kept the lead on the plane itself, and so the project ended.
Now, Germany finds itself quite troubled as they don’t have the capabilities to build a plane by themselves (and even with sweden they can’t, as they lack the engine manufacturing part), and probably will have very limited say if they were to join the TEMPEST program (and let’s be honest, the german industrial complex and the government is just as willfull, if not more, than Dassault - just look at the Eurofighter; the reason it’s not exported as well as the rafale is because Germany refused to sell to Egypt, which led to the first rafale export, or the fact that Germany doesn’t want to do common upgrade with the other, like AMK, the different radar… leading to ballooning prices). Meanwhile France just greenlighted the develoment of the NGF (next gen fighter), with possibility to partner with other countries if possible.
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there was also the issue of who builds what that dassault wasnt the most… helpful with.
hope they just buy tempest tbh. at least that project seems to have a chance of happening
Knowing them, they won’t buy if they can’t built in themselves, and they won’t build it themselves if they can’t have a say in how it’s built. And I honestly don’t think Britain and the other partners would be very happy to see Germany arrive in a project on tracks and (vaguely) on time just to have everything discussed over again, losing time and money for the project. After all, tempest will not be a US aircraft, and thus won’t come with the guaranties that made them buy the f35.
I feel like the Tempest on time delivery will be very important, especially if they are looking for export, as there’s quite a lot of projects aiming to do 6th gen by 2040 compared to the fewer propositions of 4.5th gen that we had 10 years ago, meaning that the first to operate such a jet will have a major advantage on the market. For now they seem to be among the most advanced on 6th gen, with the US and China, but if you throw German’s involvement in the mix, things would get… interesting at best
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fair. germany couldnt be stupid and refuse the IRST thats already built in if they arent one on the main designers again.
the only garantees madeby being forced to buy F-35 was keeping nuclear weapon sharing with the US, and the US-everyone else relations have changed a lot as of late so the garantees arent garanteed right now. Despite EU related issues with the UK, britain, italy and japan are close reliable allies with germany and thats not going to change.
im so glad japan is part of this, if it was just the UK and Italy tempest wouldbe a 5th gen for 6th gen eras.
less of a spanner than the french
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China wont export their Gen 6, USA might but it will be heavily diluted. Russia it is a real leap in capability they will get there with something that they class as 6th Gen.
Tempest has a real chance if all Stakeholders can cooperate.
Dassault have the right idea with the F.5 Rafale and offering it with the autonomous wing man system. Britain needs to go down this pathway to make the transition to Gen 6 and to prepare for that style of warfare.
I have read that the F-47 RCS and Emissions will be so low it will be incredibly difficult to detect. How do you detect something like that and then produce a firing solution. The theory behind Gen 6 air battles is facinating.
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The few common projects between France and most other countries, including Italy and britain overall went well. However any major project with France and Germany seems to be destined to always fail. 2 hotheaded countries with very different needs don’t really make for great partnerships.
Meanwhile, it’s surprising that the UK did not try to go for a navalized EFT while France was part of the project. The QE class is technically convertible to a proper CATOBAR, but at the time the carrier came into service it wasn’t economical anymore. Would need a pretty massive redesign of the structure of the EFT to accommodate the landing gear, reinforce the structure… Britain also only operates nukes via their submarines so they did not have the same exact requirements as France, but it would have been much closer still
Guess it was all a timing issue in the end
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Meh, more like money is the number 1 factor for export.