Damn, I only mentioned the old HMD situation and somehow unlocked the entire Rafale vs Eurofighter lore again 💀
At the end of the day, Gaijin is gonna do whatever they want anyway, but back then anything related to the Eurocanards was insanely heated, it got so bad that they even banned reports about the aircraft weight.
The Rafale was absurdly OP and basically had no real competition at the time, so naturally every little thing turned into a massive argument and we ended up with all that drama.
But anyway, it is what it is now, nothing’s gonna change
Argument I mostly remember was calling for the removal of the 2 (HMD and Micas) given the uncontested state the Rafale was in at the time (roughly from March 2025 until Sm2 addition).
Those calling for the rename from F.3 to F.4 were looking for a reason to ask for newer and more capable jets that would face the Rafale, which eventually came, even if many months later.
This is the primary reason why HMD should have been removed.
MICA EM on the Rafale was so much more powerful than anything else in-game that it was literally stupid.
removing the HMD would have limited the HOBS and the overwhelming advantage the Rafale already had with one of the only ESA radars.
A year later though, with the intro of more ESA radars, HOBS radars, etc, the balance of power shifted enough that it was no longer a critically needed change, though I still think the Rafale is overperforming by quite a bit and needs continued nerfs in other areas, like its drag.
The drag seems to be fine, the top-end thrust needs to be adjusted.
I assume you mean overperforming historically and not in-game seeing as the SM2 is the best plane in the game. The Rafale is far more underperforming in historical performance than it is in overperformance even when you take the high speed performance into account which is only useable at early game BVR where you’re still useless with the MICAs. Nerfing the top-end thrust from around Mach 1.8 to Mach 2.0 doesn’t change the majority of the gameplay where the Rafale sits at which is around Mach 1.0-1.4.
While it is correct that the high-speed end needs to be adjusted, it is a nothing-burger because it changes nothing for the Rafale currently, atleast not until the Meteor gets added where its top-speed can actually make a difference.
A good demonstration of how the Rafale is underperforming historically.
Hell, even if you fix the high altitude high speed performance on the Rafale which changes nothing in terms of gameplay currently, just 10% of these issues listed above being fixed would immediately overshadow any nerfs so I would hardly say that the Rafale is overperforming at all. The only truth is that the Rafale is underperforming (in total). If you want to say the Rafale’s top-end speed is overperforming that’s fine, just clarify that.
RCS is too high and IR signature is probably too high as well
IRST: lacks ability to fire AMRAAM (heck has the bug still where STT blocks AMRAAM launch when it auto-swaps). Ability to be cued to RWR, range increased to 150km, missing 200+ target TWS, missing sesnor fusion, ground target detection.
TV different from the IRST FoV for some reason
AMRAAM should be smokeless, also limited to firing within seeker FoV
Aim-9M are really buggy at the moment and underperforming loads
27mm has the wrong ammo
BOL (do I really need to say more on this matter)
RWR: Missing ESM, missing ability to launch weapons at targets, accuracy too low
Radar scan rate is too low, and all the other issues related to ESA at the moment
heck, german Typhoon probably doesnt even have the correct name.
Let alone MASSIVE issues with things like the rudder just wobbling all over the place.
Let alone P4E stuff:
missing CMs
missing DASS upgrade
missing AMK
etc etc
Or loadout issues:
missing Brimstone 2/3s
missing Spear-3s
missing ARM
missing ASM
missing litening V Tpod
etc etc
The rafale is not the only one underperforming in those respects, but MICA EM is still one of the best weapons in-game, the Rafale still out accelerates everything for no clear reason, it still has the lowest energy bleed at higher ALTs, etc etc.
The Rafale is still waaaaaay stronger than its direct equivalent which is massively nerfed currently, waaaaaaay more than the Rafale is.
Yeah… its funny how much they want to artificially nerf the Typhoon. Clearly they a worried about loosing their OP status when the EFT finally catches up and overtakes it like it should
Yeah, they do. Would be really funny if they ended up giving us a weight reduction. It is potentially 220 kg too heavy, but that is unlikely to get fixed
Though it would probably jsut take someone submitting a “it feels too heavy” report with no sources at all and it would get nerfed like what happened to the Fox/Scimitar and what almost happeend to the PW4 or the nonsense with BOL in the first place
Wait a min… I just need to type up a report for the Rafale along those lines. Be back in a bit…
No sources state that the Rafale can take off without it’s wings falling off due to dubious build quality. Nerf overload limit to 0.5G.
Weight supplied by the manual does not include pilot’s Baguette Collection stored behind ejector seat. Increase weight by 300kg.
Rafale MAWS obviously does not work against PL-12s or similar sized weapons. Suggest MAWS does not activate for anything larger than a firework bought from B&Q.
Rafale also has its own reports and probably by a bigger margin (smaller plus ducted air intakes)
No sources on that (compared to rafale which has sources for that)
Equivalent reports on the rafale
Equivalent report for MICA for the first one, and no report for the A/B/C5 for the second point (or I missed it). AIM120D fixes that tho. Still don’t know why EFT misses it still
Same for Magic 2
In this case, I claim the missing spectral flares
Same for rafale - rafale also should always have max speed scan since it isn’t mechanical. Currently the EFT does still benefit from high scan rate across the entire ESA + mech spectrum
Would probably be under a different variant. None of these have been officially tested either AFAIK, so it’d be like me claiming the Rafale F5
Yes for all of them, and rafale doesn’t really have equivalents as of now.
Basically, almost all the reports you claimed would make the EFT catch up and overtakes the rafale “as it should” have equivalent for the Rafale (and Rafale also has a few more).
The EFT has loads of issues, Rafale as well. Honestly I don’t really see the point of either side victimizing themselves.
Yes the rafale was extremely strong when it was added. But it wasn’t the first time something wrecked lobbies. It just so happened that for once the powercreep was not favoring a main nation.
The rafale could have been nerfed on release maybe, but I also want to remind y’all that when the rafale and EFT were added the EFT also stomped on any other vehicles. Only the F15E could somewhat compete, and it was already a significant powercreep over the other jets
Instead of crying about which vehicle should have been nerfed more, we should maybe ask wether the EFT and rafale additions were good at all. Both planes were added way too early. The German should have gotten the F18 to give them a decent ARH platform and gaijin should have worked on actually improving gen 4 mechanics before adding Gen 4.5. This would have made the addition of the rafale, EFT and even SM2 much more bearable
I think the best thing we can do is try to come to an understanding that the EF and Raf are equals, some are better in some regards, some are better in others.
And move the F-14A IRIAF up to 14.3 just to make sure.
