Not even swiss. That’s a LAV so american Belgian not swiss
And you’ve missed the point. Selling a turret has never made a vehicle a joint developed tank again check boxer mgs or anything else with the 3105. Turrets are sold and exported currently
Although I’m extremely critical of developers, in this case I’m going to defend them a little. Nobody forces people to spend €80 on a vehicle, and even if it’s extremely expensive for what it is, you can simply not buy it or wait for sales. I haven’t spent more than €35 on a premium tank for at least 10 years, and I haven’t spent more than €10 a year on the game for over 4 years. Since nobody forces me to spend money, I don’t, because in my opinion, this game no longer deserves more than €10 a year. But if people want to spend €80 on a vehicle, it’s because they want to, and if the developers set that price, it’s because there are people who buy them. As long as there’s demand for premium vehicles, even if they’re expensive, the developers will supply them in the form of increasingly expensive premium vehicles. If you want them cheaper, you know what to do: if there’s no demand, the price will plummet.
I don’t think you understood what I meant. I was actually agreeing with you that a country shouldn’t receive a different country’s vehicle just because it uses a turret designed by that country. That’s why I brought up Belgium’s Cockerill turrets have been installed on countless vehicles from all over the world including the swiss. does that mean belgium should have those nations? no that was my point
also the last vehicle on the list was indeed wrong i accidently used a completely different picture.
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If it’s a LAV, it more likely to be Canadian then American. Being the one the family is domestic to after it grew away from its Piranha roots. Plus the hulls are all built in Ontario.
I didn’t get to see the original for long but looked to be LAV-700 model which is an export focused line who is partly related it the LAV-6.0(as both improvements over the LAV-III share stuff), with what little I could find about it. Nearly every example of that line uses a Belgian turret and the few service ones seem to be with Saudi Arabia.
That’s not to say the US doesn’t have any connections to LAVs with a Belgian turret, as they tested a few and under what rules we have gives the US priority claim.
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Hulls are also sold and exported, as illustrated by all the Mowag variants for example. Or for more relevant examples to War Thunder: The Leopard 2 hull found on the Vickers Mk.7 or the M4A1 (FL10).
And again, you’re just setting a completely arbitrary limitation and an oversimplification of what turrets are. Turrets are complex weapon systems and a critical component of any fighting vehicle, as it includes not only the gun but all the hydraulics, mechanical, electrical and electronic components such as the FCS that makes the whole thing function.
The reason why the vehicle manufacturer is usually the lead on the project is because it’s easier to adapt the vehicle to the weapon system than the other way around.
This is not “just a turret”, and in fact it’s arguably the most important part of the vehicle:
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“Recently, many high-rank premiums have been variants, close equivalents, or cosmetically modified versions of vehicles already present in the game. This is because our current approach with the higher ranks is to try and avoid placing entirely unique or historically important vehicles exclusively as premiums as much as possible.”
or just tell us your greedy and only want the money. what if someone wants the slightly modified vehicle, but oh no, now they have to pay for it. just put it in a folder in the tech tree. another easy solution is to stop adding so many copy paste high tier premiums. you make money but you lose players.
however copy paste prems is not a big deal here and there. the problem starts when like they say “each primary nation can feel diluted”. if this keeps up you don’t have a reason to research more than two nation. because the “unique vehicles” aren’t as good as the nation duplicates in a lot of cases. just think of the hell sim battles are already.
just polish the game and give us more funtions.
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Should of probably gone to both.
What are sold and exported constantly. That does not mean everything with a french turret should be french or German turret be German
Apart from the powerpack and engine yea and idk why you posted another mowag shark again would be in Germany just like the shark adats what would also be German and not american or British
Cause it’s a fine avatar.
Soviets is tied with Japan for “best CAS”, and USA pretty much is identical as well.
All will not win matches as Japanese players are finding out.
Surely This CHINESE tank should be in France because it uses crotales
All of these debates happen because gaijin refuses to establish a logical system for where vehicles go.
They’re a business. They’re not gonna limit themselves. They will keep a free hand. Why wouldb they ever give priority to an orderly classification system over business considerations?
Its pretty clear where vehicles go. In their sub tree… Like the swiss tanks in Germany
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Or, as the the originating issue of this thread makes apparent, a concise and forward looking rationale behind adding each subtree where they were added.
I think for export vehicles what matters is (in this order):
Nation that operated it → Nation it was made for and/or Nation of the company that is offering the vehicle
For example in this case, at least from a quick search, it wasn’t operated by any nation. But it seems like the variant was made for Canada, so that’s where it should go. Since it wasn’t bought then the company selling it can get it too, which is French Thomson-CSF.
If it was an off-the-shelf product that wasn’t designed/modified for Canada then only the company gets it, because there’s really nothing Canadian about a generic product offered to and rejected by them, unlike if it was made with Canadian requirements in mind.
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You mean the reasoning of the swiss sub tree being their close military ties with Germany their close cultures and them sharing a language…
Its up to gajin really where they want to put it but that’s goes for quite a few tanks
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This comment of mine applies to a number of subtrees.
If you want to discuss close military ties, then the Netherlands are far closer tied to Germany, with The Dutch army integrated into German command, and vice versa for air defense. S1.
There’s also the complimentary aspects of trees and subtrees to consider. For Example, BeNeLux’s unique domestic designs are, by and large, light tanks and armored cars which France has in spades, so it’s not like the subtree is actually augmenting a large weakness in the French tree.
If sharing a language was the justification, then Italy and France would have as much a claim, ditto on culture.
Its not really the air defense part but yes Germany is a huge part of dutch defense currently with them providing all their mbts