Hulls are also sold and exported, as illustrated by all the Mowag variants for example. Or for more relevant examples to War Thunder: The Leopard 2 hull found on the Vickers Mk.7 or the M4A1 (FL10).
And again, you’re just setting a completely arbitrary limitation and an oversimplification of what turrets are. Turrets are complex weapon systems and a critical component of any fighting vehicle, as it includes not only the gun but all the hydraulics, mechanical, electrical and electronic components such as the FCS that makes the whole thing function.
The reason why the vehicle manufacturer is usually the lead on the project is because it’s easier to adapt the vehicle to the weapon system than the other way around.
This is not “just a turret”, and in fact it’s arguably the most important part of the vehicle:
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“Recently, many high-rank premiums have been variants, close equivalents, or cosmetically modified versions of vehicles already present in the game. This is because our current approach with the higher ranks is to try and avoid placing entirely unique or historically important vehicles exclusively as premiums as much as possible.”
Or just tell us your greedy and only want the money. What if someone wants the slightly modified vehicle, But oh no, now they have to pay for it. Just put it in a folder in the tech tree. Another easy solution is to stop adding so many copy paste high tier premiums. You make money but you lose players.
However copy paste prems is not a big deal here and there. The problem starts when like they say “each primary nation can feel diluted”. If this keeps up you don’t have a reason to research more than two nations. Because the “unique vehicles” aren’t as good as the nation duplicates in a lot of cases. Just think of the hell sim battles are already.
Just polish the game and give us more functions.
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Should of probably gone to both.
What are sold and exported constantly. That does not mean everything with a french turret should be french or German turret be German
Apart from the powerpack and engine yea and idk why you posted another mowag shark again would be in Germany just like the shark adats what would also be German and not american or British
Cause it’s a fine avatar.
Soviets is tied with Japan for “best CAS”, and USA pretty much is identical as well.
All will not win matches as Japanese players are finding out.
Surely This CHINESE tank should be in France because it uses crotales
All of these debates happen because gaijin refuses to establish a logical system for where vehicles go.
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They’re a business. They’re not gonna limit themselves. They will keep a free hand. Why wouldb they ever give priority to an orderly classification system over business considerations?
Its pretty clear where vehicles go. In their sub tree… Like the swiss tanks in Germany
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Or, as the the originating issue of this thread makes apparent, a concise and forward looking rationale behind adding each subtree where they were added.
I think for export vehicles what matters is (in this order):
Nation that operated it → Nation it was made for and/or Nation of the company that is offering the vehicle
For example in this case, at least from a quick search, it wasn’t operated by any nation. But it seems like the variant was made for Canada, so that’s where it should go. Since it wasn’t bought then the company selling it can get it too, which is French Thomson-CSF.
If it was an off-the-shelf product that wasn’t designed/modified for Canada then only the company gets it, because there’s really nothing Canadian about a generic product offered to and rejected by them, unlike if it was made with Canadian requirements in mind.
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You mean the reasoning of the swiss sub tree being their close military ties with Germany their close cultures and them sharing a language…
Its up to gajin really where they want to put it but that’s goes for quite a few tanks
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This comment of mine applies to a number of subtrees.
If you want to discuss close military ties, then the Netherlands are far closer tied to Germany, with The Dutch army integrated into German command, and vice versa for air defense. S1.
There’s also the complimentary aspects of trees and subtrees to consider. For Example, BeNeLux’s unique domestic designs are, by and large, light tanks and armored cars which France has in spades, so it’s not like the subtree is actually augmenting a large weakness in the French tree.
If sharing a language was the justification, then Italy and France would have as much a claim, ditto on culture.
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Its not really the air defense part but yes Germany is a huge part of dutch defense currently with them providing all their mbts
They are not going to make a bunch of “minor” nation trees, they have said that.
They admitted to making a mistake with the Israeli tree and are not going to repeat
that mistake again. So, your entire idea of what, 180 different tech tress?, one for EVERY nation . . just ain’t gonna happen.
While the player base represents segments from all over the globe, it simply isn’t
feasible to have the same amount/level or representation of vehicles in the game.
It just won’t work. It is unreasonable and not practical. And any attempt to do such
a thing would surely increase “copy/pasting” 10 fold. Which clearly seems to be the
bane of many players already. So in essence this idea would inherently just . . .
make things so much worse. . . .
Just because someone’s Dad, Uncle or Grandpa flew, drove or sailed a certain
vehicle in some military conflict 10, 20, 50 or 80 years ago does not mean that
it should be put into this game, sorry . . .
Same goes for every nation that has military vehicles, not a good enough reason
that they would be required representation here . … again, sorry.
It’s a video game . . . it is not 100% accurate, realistic or simulated in every aspect.
Being reasonable, asking for things in a reasonable manner, is not a sign of weakness.
It’s common sense and courteous(which goes a LONG way when asking for something) . . .
pro tip
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Yeah, at the end of the day they do what they want anyways. But I do agree with your point, you can’t really point at all turrets or all hulls and go “that’s where it’s added”, when reality is more complicated.
For example like you said the Boxer MGS is a Rheinmetall (German) product, even if it uses a Cockerill (Belgian) turret. It’s not a co-development. In the same way the Crotale 5000 is a Thompson-CSF (French) product, even if it uses a Mowag (Swiss) hull.
And of course there’s always who it’s made/modified for, which is another really important thing. Many export products aren’t made for any specific nation, so being offered to them doesn’t mean anything, but if they are made for a nation that should take a priority next to the company.
So when a vehicle is partly German it’s okay to ask for it to be added to both tree, but it’s not okay to ask the same thing for partly French vehicles?
Cool double standards.
I never said that they should be exclusively French or German based on their turrets (or hull) alone, just that they should be added to both tree for fairness’ sake, just like how you believe that the Vickers Mk.7 should have gone to both trees.
You seriously believe that when it comes to SAM systems, the vehicles they’re attached to is the most important thing?
Seriously?
And the ADATS comparison doesn’t really work because Oerlikon, a Swiss company, played a massive role in its design. It makes perfect sense for it to go to the Swiss tree.
Switzerland wasn’t involved with the Crotale however.
No need since France has its own equivalent that served in its military for decades:
Flash news for you: French and Italians are also official languages of Switzerland and they also have cultural and military ties with them.
Here are pictures of a Franco-Swiss military exercise in Hinterrhein in Switzerland from november last year:
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No because it was a joint program for export lmao
Way less but yes they are still important for all nations in the region also there’s a small thing called the DACH area
Sam’s without mobility is quite awful
Why does Sweden get T-80U and Mi-28? They never used them, never bought them
Just test driving once isn’t a reason to add it.
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