Prototype, not mockup. It wasn’t made of wood either.
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Is that so? I’ve always assumed the thing was a purely paper vehicle… Is there any proof that if the unfinished prototype indeed existed, that it wasn’t just a wooden mockup?
That is not true. All of the drawings date to the '70s. They are not “blueprints” they are just “general arrangement” drawings. Blueprints would be engineering drawings and specs of individual components. There is no evidence that anything was ever built. Still.
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Source for this, please? This is the first time I’ve heard this, and I’m wary of these claims, especially given the amount of ridiculous misinformation circulating about Japanese equipment (I’ve literally seen people on this forum saying the Chi-To is a fake tank). Have a good day.
Read the other O-I thread, we beat this to death over there already.
OI tank should be added I just checked, and you haven’t posted any proof or source that the documents are fake. You just mocked people who didn’t share your opinion and insulted them. In short, I’m wasting my time. Have a good day.
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You mean like this 279 that exist completed and runs. I think the 279 with 100mm was the one that survived today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ncVfI7_cRE
How do you prove a negative?
Since you’re going to have that attitude I won’t suggest you do a google search, I’m not here to do your homework for you.
How do you prove a negative?
So basically you’re saying that we can claim whatever we want without the slightest proof If I understand correctly.
I asked why you said that Project O-I never existed and I haven’t found anything about your 1970 story document. If you’re sure of yourself, why don’t you show me the proof?
That’s all I ask of you. Also, please note that I don’t speak English; I use a translator
I apologize in advance if I misinterpreted your remarks. Edit: I reread my message and it’s true that I had a bad attitude, sorry.
Never built, can’t be added, and would be too large and relatively unarmored to be useful, unlike the paper tanks right now, the HO-RI.
IMHO, a prototype Ho-Ri would have been built on the Type 5 Chi-Ri hull. Even Japanese model companies portray it in this way with a mid-mount superstructure with less armor.
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Doesnt Wargaming own the O-I patent/design or something?
I mean if one side has provided reasonable evidence, then it is up to you to counter it, and if you cant then it can be assumed they are correct
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If I remember correctly, it’s his finemolds that possess them
Object 279 is even worse example because it’s cold war heavy tank, not a paper ww2 super heavy tank, and unlike O-I was fully made and tested. 279 was not accepted due to being overcomplicated, ineffective to produce and cramped.
Except its not reasonable evidence. Its all subjective and secondary in nature. Knowing the historical context of Japan at the time makes it extremely unlikely to have existed. Gaijin has researched this and found no compelling support, and they would probably love to add it.
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fair
I personally believe them to be quite thorough but I wish theyd be more open about that kinda thing
To be honest it is really sad to see that messages as “proofs”
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Actually story about O-I finished on the fact that 100t vehicle was built which can be called “tank testbed”
It was tank with hull only, without turrets (or wooden mock ups, not sure here), which was missing part of armors (O-I front armor was made by 2 plates and external was missing) also missing the one side 35mm armor plate which was placed after trucks (again it had 2 armor plates and only external one was missing, structure 35mm of hull was there)
This testbed was driven near factory in 1st of August but then it got damage.
All of this is coming by the book which author got the documents by Finemolds. There is published some of the blueprints which are well known and some which was never seen.
Most interesting he rewrote the O-I (also known as Mi-To because tank was done by Mitsubishi) research and development document for O-I made by Mitsubishi. It writes all story of O-I project since 1941 to 1943.
Unfortunately I read it long time ago and can misremember some details and doesn’t have time to reread whole book written on foreign language for me. But the fact that testbed (as again it was pretty different from final planned O-I but body, engine, transmission and main hull was same) was built and tested - is fact.
The documents of O-I is also fact and talking that it is 1970s fakes (written exactly same way as many other Japanese manuals and war time documents on same “old Japanese” language (pre 1945 language is very different from modern one)) using the manual for gundam and O-I churches - is just disappointment, and trying to argue with it - waste of time
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O-I was built, and even complete enough to do mobility trials, which is more than the E-100 for example. While it still wasn’t completed (iirc it was missing all turrets and the roof plate) that’s enough for it to be added to the game.
If it was entirely paper there wouldn’t be an accepted suggestion for it.
Yes, both Ho-Ris in game are wrong. The prototype is a historical misinterpretation of what the actual Ho-Ri would’ve been based on a plan that wasn’t the final design, while the production is just made up.
The real Ho-Ri was under construction by the end of the war, with work on 5 prototypes stated to have been 50% complete. This is also passed as a suggestion and would be great to replace the fake Ho-Ri tanks we have now.
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There was no Object 279 with 100mm, only with 130mm. And there was only one built as other two prototypes didnt get approval.
After WW2 USSR completely ditched an idea of a heavy tank recieving 100mm gun, with last soviet heavy prototype with 100mm being one out of Object 701 prototypes, which was a prototype precursor to the IS-4.
Object 279 though just like it’s precursor and later soviet heavies protos utilised 130mm (if you ignore entire T-10 family ofc). They did plan to make some ATGM barrel fired variants as well as iirc some very long barrel 130mm, although other than T-10 with Object 775 like turret nothing was ever made.
Theres also some protos of T-10M adding ATGMs to it or T-10 vehicle with just two ATGMs instead of the turret.
There was also one proto of T-10M with LRF from 1970 but we dont even have imagery of it.
wait what? that sounds epic