Can we talk about why the SAV is being moved from 3.7 to 4.0 BR in Ground RB?
I understand it has an autoloader, but that’s the only advantage it has. I get that many players hate it, yet from my experience from actually owning the SAV vs the other 3.7/4.0 vehicles, it’s not worthy of a raise in BR due to its other larger downsides.
Disadvantages:
1: No turret, limited left/right aim.
2: Paper thin armor, making it easy to take out with majority of MG’s or autocannons.
3: Open top + paper thin armor + crew is close together makes it extremely vulnerable to airplanes of any type of armament.
4: Gun has less pen than other options. M61 shot has 102mm while SAV’s hpgr M/50 has 94mm. You can’t kill what you can’t pen. KV-1 eats these for breakfast.
4: The projectile has more “drop” than others, making precise targeting a challenge. This means SAV is more useful in close-up engagements, less ability in medium range, useless at long range except against paper targets.
I consider myself a pretty seasoned Ground player, with an overall k/d ratio of 3:1 to 4:1 on most of my common-use tanks.
And I will back up my claims with my own k/d ratios:
SAV 20.12.48: 503 ÷ 191 = 2.63 k/d
Sherman III/IV: 282 ÷ 66 = 4.72 k/d
And even taking into the new M24DK while considering I mainly used it in the stock grind, most kills done without the powerful APCBC M61 shot so I was using the standard solid AP:
46 ÷ 14 = 3.29 k/d
The only 3.7 tank I’d say the SAV beats is the Finnish Panzer IV:
338 ÷ 143 = 2.36 k/d
Taking these stats into consideration, I don’t think the SAV should be moved to 4.0 where it will primarily face 4.7 to 5.0 tanks which it has no chance against. Despite the autoloader being an advantage I believe the disadvantages the SAV faces are larger.
I don’t think this justifies a raise in BR though. You can bounce 6 shots or pen 1 shot, which is better?
k/d ratios speak for themselves. The SAV may have an autoloader but it’s very easy to kill at the same time. I have watched SAV’s on my team die quickly in matches. Enemy can simply bring an AA and delete all SAV on the map. So I think complaints about the autocannon are moot due to SAV’s lack of armor nor turret traverse.
I doubt Gaijin raises BRs because of players “dislike”.
Thin-skinned it may be, but that apparently hasn’t stopped it from being successful. I guess they think it’s been too successful.
But it’s not like they raised it 2 or 3 steps…
And full disclosure - I really do dislike the Sav.20 :)
The GRB matchmaker is such a joke. Literally every single game is an uptier and it’s so miserable. 75 Shermans are substantially worse because they’re suddenly facing things that very easily frontpen them and they can’t do anything back. 8.X and 9.X can literally just be merged with how the matchmaker puts them together anyway, and it’s all exacerbated by a bunch of broken stuff being undertiered because it’s free money. War Thunder is an example of why you don’t prioritize queue times over literally everything when making a matchmaking system. And it’s never going to get fixed because of what I just said.
These changes showcase the limited visibility players have into Vehicle Performance and how that negatively affects gameplay and balance decisions.
I am a physicist. In order to make any big claim, published in a paper, we are required to provide reproducable evidence that what we said is true or happens. Otherwise the claim is refuted as inaccurate or denied, especially due to the work of a Henry Schon and his Plastic Fantastic papers.
Gaijin, however, is making changes with no burden of proof- expecting us to arbitrarily accept their changes ‘because they said’. It hurts the visibility and veracity of these claims, and makes people less and less trusting of Gaijin and what it does. Hell, I am struggling to believe that Gaijin even cares about the game. With enough of this, it is inevitable that their will be another review bomb and that it will cost Gaijin a lot of money, if not the game.
All we are asking for is data visibility. Back up the claims with statistics. The fact we don’t even get this as a bare minimum is degrading. Please, change this.
What’s the deal with why the Ikv 103 change was removed? It’s not a good vehicle but the HEAT-FS shell is a common Tier VI HEAT-FS shell with lower velocity… at 4.0. Changing it to a lower battle rating without the HEAT-FS was a good idea, IMO, it would’ve been better balanced.
At that BR I do agree, but I would argue it would be fine at a lower BR with the stock HEAT shell. The Sav m/43 (1946) has the same HEAT shell at 3.0, though with much better armor. I think it would be better to have the Ikv 103 be a more mobile and less armored alternative to that, avoiding putting the HEAT-FS so low in BR.
If you think an fgr with 9ls would be better than a tonka f.3? I have the ej kai and i love it but the ONLY reason its 12.3 is due to its 7fs and has nothing to do with its 9ls (even then its a bit of a stretch to say its even 12.3 worthy).
I think the fgr should be given them to put it on par with other 12.0 phantoms as skyflash dogfights are by no means on par with 7fs. Either that or give them superTEMPS as im pretty sure they were at least tested on an fgr.
I think a good middle ground would be to give the fg 9ls and the fgr 9ls and super temp and move it up to 12.3 if needed. Although i dont know if the fg ever got 9ls.
We don’t need to keep advocating for compression. We really don’t.
Is that why the F-4S is 12.0? The EJ Kai is 12.3 because it has 9Ls+F-16 radar+internal gun. It’s just massively power crept by compression.
I think the real solution is to decompress and move the F-4S up one BR step. Though this community loves advocating for the downfall of the game by constantly begging for more and more compression.
Frankly, these br changes are probably going to be the thing that makes me quit WT permanently. The game was barely fun with my favorite lineup, and now they ruin it for no apparent reason. why the hell did the jumbo have to go up? its already facing early cold war vehicles and things with HEAT at 5.3, you have to aim for specific weak spots with the 75mm, and somehow i keep getting penned in more and more places by stuff at the 5.3 br. ive had my jumbo front plate penned frontally by an avenger MULTIPLE times, and no not mg port or at a poor angle, straight up flat frontal shot at the armor’s intended angle. im sorry if the jumbo makes the german/soviet mains who refuse to learn weakspots and hide their own mad, atp get good, dont drag the jumbo even higher. 5.3 gets uptiered almost every game anyways, so why tf make one of the best/most fun USA lineups uneven and more uptier prone???
Im all for f4s getting moved up, i just believe itll be easier moving the moon than getting that to happen hence why i want the British phantoms getting 9l.
The ej kai is 12.3 due to the “better” radar and 7fs. I can count on my hand the amount of kills ive gotten with 9ls using it compared to just using the gun or 7fs. But that may just be my luck playing into it as i have an uncanny ability to always fire as soon as the enemy fires their own missile leading to my missile going for theirs… And this isnt uncommon for me as it generally happens 3 to 4 times a game.
Ive gotta disagree, the jumbo is perfectly fine where it is. Things a bloody monster. Also, obviously the 17pdr is going right through your ufp mate, its a 17pdr. Only thing i hate in it are russian 85mm as they shouldn’t be going through but dont care.
You have two choices. Either you can advocate for the best course which is to decompress, or you can accept that gaijin isn’t going to buff the british phantoms either. That’s it. That’s the two choices.
The radar is undeniably far superior. Please do not pretend it isn’t.