[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

To be fair, relatively speaking I don’t play much above 8.x, and I rarely play above 10.x… so, to your point, this probably isn’t a fix that will assist at high BRs due to the CQB map set.

For low BR to the bottom end of high tier, I think it’s a good idea to try… rolling a map (or getting rolled) in minutes is lame, to-the-wire close matches are where WarThunder really shines.

The KV-1 (L-11) is too powerful at 3.7 in RB if the Germans are on their side [USSR] it’s almost impossible to gain any tactical advantage in non small urban maps if your paired up with the crappy US teams.

Now we have this poor new VT-4 sitting at 11.7 after the new update.
Compared with its predecessor MBT-2000 at 11.3, the VT-4 has worse mobility due to increased weight and reverse speed that has been nerfed by half. Its firepower is only slightly better with the same major ammunition except for the new GP125 missile, and the gun sight is improved with 2rd-gen TVD sight for both commander and gunner but with worse magnification. The reload rate is still the disgusting 7.1s per round. Its protection remains the same.
So if we compare it to other 11.7 vehicles, we will easily learn that it has one of the worst performances in all 3 aspects. It should be lowered to 11.3 and folded under MBT-2000.
And the VT-4A1 should be lowered to 11.7.

Add “turret baskets” to all mbts. Not make them for specific nations and then wait 1yeAr for the rest

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its more of one team being stacked than a kv1 specific problem

I mean, good gun with decent armour is a powerful combo for 3.7. That combined with all the other vehicles at 3.7 that russia and germany get that really shouldnt be that low make it a very potent lineup along with making it painful to play against.

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which the L-11 is far from…

HA HA HA, Nah. Its bloody fantastic. The angled pen on it makes it a pisstake, ive killed tiger 1s in it by penning their roof frontally, its a fantastic gun and im not going to pretend like it isnt.

Yeah, right

My mistake, the tiger shot was with the zis-5. Still, the L-11 is perfectly good enough if used correctly. It has enough he filler to be a threat and its far from the worst gun at the br.

It has awful pen for the BR along with a bad reload rate

Great angled pen which means anyone who tries to angle against you allows you to shoot their sides. You think the 30mm or so of armour of a panzer 4 is going to be stopping you lol? Youll be surprised at the angles itll just glide right through.

Angled pen is not considered above average for the BR, it also wont matter if you can shoot weak side armor at good angles if the target doesnt expose their side to you

There’s a few situations like this, for my money right now one of the strangest is the GR7’s arcade rating at 13.0 RB is 12.3 which seems okay, at 13.0 though the thing is facing off against constant ARH spam, no radar, subsonic, and just not fun to play in that environment, feel like it needs rolling back to 12.7 in arcade minimum.

Tornado is and it’s weird to say that

I don’t believe the tornado having 9Ls and a better radar makes up for its FM being abysmal to the extent it is better than the more generally applicable F-4S, but the Tornado is in the discussion at least.

Radar and Super temp with 9Ls make the Tonka very very good

did you read what I said???

Tonka is very good, the radar allows it to find targets alot easier than the f4s along with its 9ls allowing for some sneaky shots. However, the f4s has hms, and the slat package allowing for excellent dog fighting ability along with the 7f meaning any joust with a tornado will end up with you winning just as long as you fire early enough with the 7f. And as long as your able to draw the tonka in the f4s will be winning the dog fight.

You can use the Long ACM mode to mitigate the HMD advantage.
Super temp is also faster off the rail to 10km

I would take the Tonka over the F-4S. F-4S is very good though.