[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

I want to know why they aren’t extending Ground BR brackets to match those in Air. That’s a lot of unused BR steps that can massively help with decompression.

People are already using these BR brackets by adding these aircraft into their ground lineups.

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What the hell was Gajin thinking when they changed BR of French MSC tonk. Like WTF?!
France finally had a lineup with TWO 10.7 MBTs and maybe a Vextra.
They had to f**k it up though, as always.
Don’t tell me they changed it’s BR cus SQBs… :)

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I’ve just unlocked it this week, it’s really is not 11.0 material at all, I find the 2a4 better, you get 1 shot in the MSC super easy with just 3 crew; and 6 sec reload is the same as the 2a4, armour is nearly identical really. when you get a 12.0 game its just bad, I just leave play another nation while on crew lock.

British RB Ground BR’s:

- A1E1 Independent: 1.3 down to 1.0. Terrible armour for a heavy tank, worse than many nations light tanks even at 1.0. Terrible mobility. Massive target. 3-Pdr gun isn’t a redeeming factor either, it’s not the worst gun in the game (but it is far worse than the 2-Pdr on practically every other low tier British tank), but due to all the other factors combined it’s made much worse.

- SARC IVa: 1.3 down to 1.0. It’s fast, and that’s kinda it. If you compare it to the Daimler it shares a BR with, it loses in almost every respect. Worse armour, no shoulder stabiliser, gun is incredibly bouncy and kicks like a mule after firing, worse gun elevation and depression angles, and it’s open-topped.

Valentine Mk I: 2.7 down to 2.3. I still don’t understand why this was even necessary. It’s now sharing a BR with its direct upgrade and now is completely pointless to play. It’s also worse than the Matilda II in many ways.

- Churchill Mk. I: 3.3 down to 3.0. The 2-Pdr is horrendous at this point, mainly due to the lack of mobility to flank. Even taking it in downtiers it struggles to penetrate Pz. IV F2’s with add-on track armour, Pz. III M’s, M4A1’s, etc.

AEC AA Mk II: 3.7 down to 3.3. From 2.7 to 3.7, that’s a massive jump. Now you’re expected to use the Staghound AA from 2.0 to 3.3 (the Crusader AA Mk I is a terrible SPAA and you’re better off playing that like a Fox). It should go back down to 3.3, especially considering the below.

- Crusader AA Mk II: 4.0 down to 3.7. I don’t understand why this vehicle even went up. Just compare it to the Wirbelwind, far less rate-of-fire, less penetration, and half the guns. The only advantage the Crusader AA Mk. II has is an enclosed turret and more mobility. The 2 were very asymmetrically balanced.

- Churchill Mk. III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk. I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It’s also the same gun that’s on the AEC Mk. II at 3.3 (which is also incorrect, see my bug report, it should have the worse 6-Pdr Mk III further justifying the drop).

- Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk. III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk. III goes down then the NA75 should as well.

- Comet: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s really a shadow of its former self. The A30 Challenger is a better vehicle in almost everyway. Just compare it to the VK 3002 (M).

- AC IV: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s just a slightly better Firefly. Again, just compare it to the VK 3002 (M).

Skink: 5.3 down to 4.7. Just like the Crusader AA Mk. II really don’t understand why it keeps going up. Again, just compare it to the Wirbelwind, you still have less firepower and penetration but now have the double the guns of the Crusader AA Mk. II, and the same amount of guns as the Whirbelwind. Is that really worth a BR increase of 1.3 currently (4.0 to 5.3)?

- Tortoise: 6.7 down to 6.3. Just compare it to the T28, very similar vehicles except the Tortoise is covered in weakspots, lacks APHE, and just as slow.

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Gaijin is blatantly supporting pay to win here
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Nah this would be crazy, I was dominating at 3.0 with the AC I during the event and that was before they buffed 2pdr accuracy (along with most other guns at that BR tbf)

That’s fair. I removed it from the list. The armour is also better in some ways to the Matilda, and the Sentinel is far more mobile.

don’t worry, after robbing done, they will also increase its br to 13.0 too. Order of priority for gaijin: Russian bias > money > murica h-te

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There is no Balance in the game, I think it is actually intentional in order for games to be over as quick as possible and recycle players back into the queues for games. Wait times are the shining obsessive Holy Grail for Gaijin and everything else is a sacrificial pawn to achieve that.
It is just an awful gaming experience and feels like there is nothing that you are in control of and that your efforts are totally in vain and contribute nothing as the outcome is pre-determined. Added to that the huge amount of cheating that is endemic in the game especially in ground it is a worthless spending of time.
It almost feels like all the marketing about how realistic it is and how all this information is used to calculate all these parameters with angles and penetration etc is all just a whitewash and it is just a plain simple RNG program running it all.

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Best Italian jets are MiGs 👌
Unfortunately Italian air tree gets a very little attention, at least thankfully there are multinational designs which they’ve added like Tornado or Typhoon, if it was something Italian-only we would still wait for it. Looking forward to Aermacchi MB-326 and MB-339 variants since 2017.
And not only jets, WW2 era is completely abandoned, there are so many props Italy could get, but they all are out of priority it seems.
PS some rebalance of already represented jets would be nice btw, especially with the addition of the thing which could make them unique.

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How is the BI still 6.7 to this day? Can it not go to 7.3/7.7 already?

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Barely sees it in the battle; anyways, people will forget about it one day.

Playing 5.7 I genuinely see one once every 3 matches. It’s a lot more common than it was. Idk if it’s because of the sl gambling melon dropping BI’s, but it’s undeniably unbalanced and should seriously move up already regardless of activity

Stona_wt is quite good at covering topics.

For example, the Yak1b is an aircraft that was upgraded towards the end of 1942. In simulation warfare, it’s tier 3.3, while in the German tree, it’s equivalent to the FW 190 A1 :=)

As a tank, the T90A entered service in 2004. We’re playing against a 1985 Leopard A4.

For example, the 109 K4 is upgraded towards the end of 1944, at tier 5.7. Although it’s the same equivalent at the time, it’s also the monster called the F4U 4B, which entered service during the Korean War.

For example, the French AMX, with its 4-second reload time, is up against the 6.7 Tiger 2. It’s more effective than the Peugeot and Citroen.

So why are these guys playing the German tree always competing against vehicles that were produced much later and have much better performance?

I demand justice. These should be taken into consideration, at least in simulation mode.

I remember when tanks were first added to the game. Back then, there were T-34-85s up against Panzer 4s. Hahaha, what a terrible time.

Just goes to show you how good Leopard 2A4, Bf-109K4, and Tiger 2 are compared to those inferior vehicles.

Remember, the newer something is for the BR it is, the worse it is.
The older something is for the BR it is, the better it is.

Because the game is somewhat too compressed along the whole tree.
Take your Tiger II example. German 6.7 is decent at 6.7 but gets exponentially worse for every .3 uptier and exponentially better for every .3 downtier. It’s just impossible to stay in the same timeframe when capabilities evolve so quickly and differently between 10 different nations

When it was introduced doesn’t matter. For example, the PzH2000 entered service in 1998 and its the same BR as the 1944 (?) IS-6. The Gepard was in service in 1976 and the M48A2GA2 was later (iirc), the IS-7 was made in 1945. What you should be complaining about is decompression, not when it was produced.

I don’t know why that freak called PZ2000 was added. You’re right about that.

Also, Gaijin has done a good job of “balance” by keeping the levels of those Is3, Is6, and Is7 monsters high.

Can you imagine playing with Tiger 2 against these monsters?

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Historically speaking, the Tiger 2 would’ve seen at least the IS-3, likely the IS-4 and possibly the IS-6

Honestly no, they all are a little over br’d and decompression needs to happen for them to be more viable again.

I’d rather play my T-44-100 than any of those anytime soon, as I have a better shell, better mobility, good armor, and a better reload.

Tiger 2 10.5cm should become 7.3
T29 should become 7.3
T34 should be 7.0
And the T26E5 should be 7.0

Or drop the IS-3 to 7.0, the IS-6 to 7.3 & the IS-4 to 7.3

Puma go away from 1_1 sim lineup
Hellcat go away from 3_1 sim lineup