[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Lmao pulled those stats quick. And I like how you pulled my worst stats from my worst crews. The cherry picking was severe.

You skipped my cobra king which is positive.

You skipped my other tigers which are positive.

You didn’t even ask how / why they are the way they are.

1. I have only really played USA solo, and I typically uptier the jumbo to 6.0
2. Germany and Italy I play in a squad leading to higher KD values.
3. I haven’t spaded the French one ;)

So get off your high horse, you make only yourself look bad.

@Conte_Baracca

On the Tiger H1 you have 41 matches with a K/D of 28 kills and 36 deaths.

It is fairly obvious you are a poor tanker with both of these vehicles.

I only have the Tigris (Italian Premium which is a mix between Tigher H1 and Tiger E) I have 17 matches with 17 matches where I have 40 kills and 18 deaths.

Tigris often sees downtiers… no surprises you can have a more positive kd

Your kd in the Tiger E is 1.33

Your kd in your French M4a3e2 is 1.55

Your a liar

[Conte_Baracca]

@UniqueScorpions

You skipped my cobra king which is positive.

85 matches with 75 kills and 71 deaths

@UniqueScorpions

You skipped my other tigers which are positive.

Tiger E, 15 matches 12 kills 12 deaths
Tiger West 47 matches 50 deaths 139 kills
Tiger Ost 33 matches 51 kills and 28 deaths

Huh. Weird. Your stats on your Cobra King are ass compared to your tigers. And your tiger stats on anything but the two brand new premiums are awful. So. Let’s examine how you’ve done very well with the two 5.7 Tigers. The ones that have existed for a week. In the current environment. Could it be. Perhaps. That they are better and under BR?

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Hmm also odd, which one has the higher crew I’ll let you guess ;)

Also your a lair, your own stats betray you, your more positive in the jumbo than the tiger

But yes the two fronts pack tigers should be 6.0 I don’t disagree there.

They shouldn’t be lower than the Tigris, and the a heavy tank no.6 should become a 5.7

[UniqueScorpions-live]

The biggest threat are by far the panthers,
And especially since every match I’ve gotten has been a full uptier it’s been annoying, but I’ve been able to consistently barrel snipe, track, and free kill, or commander hatch the tigers.

[RunaDacino]

@Conte_Baracca

All of this is just a longwinded way of saying that Gaijin should only use stats for vehicles played by level 100 players. Meaning the stats for determing a vehicles BR should only be taken from the performance of that vehicle in the hands of a level 100 player.

Level 100 is meaningless.

While this is ASB and not GRB, do you think this player is not someone who knows their thing?

(I had a lot of fun 1v1ing them and had to look them up, hence having their stats)

Their performance the last month

A level 26 with 225 hours of flight time, mostly in Bf109 G2.

A much more reasonable approach is to require at least ~60 or so games in a vehicle for AAB/ARB/GAB/GRB/GSB before a player’s stat is considered. This guarantees they spaded the vehicle (30 games should be enough) AND played games in it enough to learn its quirks once fully spaded.

For ASB, probably 10 matches are sufficient given 1 match is around 90 minutes compared the rest of the modes’ 10-15 minutes.

[MotorolaCRO]

@RunaDacino

This guarantees they spaded the vehicle (30 games should be enough) AND played games in it enough to learn its quirks once fully spaded.

You can’t really spade all vehicles in 30 or 60 games, maybe lower tier ones.

[VeNoMxBR]

Remove SU-34 from GF for balance, please. It is ruining top tier GF.

[luque13]

Move the Leopard 2A7 and Strv 122 to 13.7 or 14.0 they outclass every other tank in game by a large margin.

[Ion_492]

The BI needs to be 7.3 at least, maybe even 7.7.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Remove the F-16s F-15s, Gripen, Rafael, and the like, and you’ve got a deal.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

Doesn’t it only have like 6 mins of fuel? And 60 rounds of ammo?

[UniqueScorpions-live]

12.3 is understandable.

[Ion_492]

2 mins and 120 rounds with a stupid high TWR, and magical levels of efficiency.

It should be 7.3, because it is untouchable at 6.7.

[luque13]

Problem with 12.3 is it will still suck up the current 12.0 tanks so we are not decompressing.
CR2, Leclerc and the M1 have no business facing the STRV-122 or any of the Leopard 2A7s

[UniqueScorpions-live]

That’s probably because highly skilled players fly it. I rarely see it. And I know you can pretty much fly it to the battlefield, fly around for 1 min then your forced back the the AF due to no fuel.

[Thenighthunter]

They are better in preformance but other tanks can still hold their own against the leos. I think them going to .3 higher would be reasonable.

[UniqueScorpions-live]

You forgot the T-80U(s), T-72B3

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Conte_Baracca

All of that being said it is easy to infer that they do not account for skill when determining BR. That is to say they use raw statistics and do not adjust based on the type of people playing the vehicle. E.G. the Tiger II H is 5.7 and the M4A3E2 is 5.7 when the Tiger is objectively and meaningfully better in almost every way.

Do you mean Tiger 1H? And even so that wouldn’t be true as both are about equal to one another. I agree with the rest of the post mostly

[luque13]

What other tank can match them? They are top of the food chain, the idea is decompress an additional 0.3 will change nothing.

[Normandy_Corsair]

It’s definitely not meaningless, it still has a large impact on the jumbo still being quite a decent tank