[Discussion] Balance, Bias, Matchmaking and Battle Ratings

Because somone in gajin dev team has problem with thinking.
Tiger 2 vs IS3 or T54 is not a big problem. The problem start when on 6.7 we have swedish IKV with laser and heatfs. When on 8.0 we have heavy arty with full modern combat tech vs tanks like maus 7.7, IS4, T55, Leopard 1 etc.

Ob 292 should never been implemented. 10.0 has enaigh cancer with mixing 2s38 from 2020s with leopard 2a4 from 1980s. Now we have:

Russian flat tank - ob775
Russian anti all auto Cannon - 2s38
Russian deathstar - ob292
Russian cas - su25
Russian supreme AA - striela
Russian on God mode - Turms (T72 on steroids)

All those vs:

UK
Challenger 1 Set plus vickers MBT prot
Poor CAS not bad aa
USA
Early M1 series with Wolfpack/stryker td good A10 CAS
German
Lea2A4, Puma after nerf, flakrakpz (after hudge nerf) - better use gepard A2 or begleitpanzer -
No reliable cas.
About French and rest - similar

And now there is a question. If they (russian) have Such a good lineup should they win all battle? Nope. At 10.3 i saw Such a imperial stormtroopers like never before. Take a Look how many countries have export T72M1 (poor Brother of T72A) and those tanks are monster in lineup. Russian Players are even worse than German MEIN! An here we have Gayjin - they pump russian ego with new op tech. Take a Look, why british Hesh doesnt wark at all, when russian HE kills whatever he hit? This is no more funny snail…

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Nerf CAS in ground rb, this is ridiculous. You need to increase the br for some planes in ground rb, from rank 4 and up.
While we are using rocks and sticks to take them down they get missiles and rockets that are pinpoint accurate from 4km away. Increase their br or lower SAM spaa’s br so that they can taste their own medicine.

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AIM-9M needs to be nerfed in sim.
The IRCCM is fine, and makes it a nice counter to the R73, but the smokeless motor is what kills the balance.
Good luck seeing one getting launched at you, whether it be from the rear or the front, you cant see it.
‘‘But you can preflare!’’, sure, dump an ongodly amount of flares to spoof the seeker, then drastically change direction while still dumping flares to evade the missile that has now gone blind. Now you are out of energy, and flares, because combloc planes refuse to carry alot of flares compared to western counterparts.

In air RB the aim9m is fine imo, with the little red diamond still indicating it. In sim however, it is a menace and basically uncounterable.

also, in this video you can clearly see that AIM-9M’s IRL have some form of smoke/condensation that allows it to be tracked visually.

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… and here we are again … the next stupid with the Object 292 is online. If people want to drive ? Go for it ! If people say it’s cool ? Go for it !#

But stop those dumb discussion about it needs thermal and more reverse speed !!! Get use to it and learn that it is a T80 and don’t cry around.

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That seems like it might have used a non smokeless motor for a sort of test against the target, although what do i know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh wow the obj292 is scary.

Nah not really

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No wonder there is a British bias that sucks…

I guess AIM-9M didn’t have smokes.

From the video of the Sidra Bay incident in 1989, there is a scene of an F-14A firing an AIM-9M against a MiG-23, but there was no smoke from the missile.

My thoughts about BR changes currently:

F-104G (Italy) should go to 10.3
CL13 Mk4 should go to 8.3
F-84F (all) should go to 8.3
G.91YS should drop BR to 9.3
F-15(All variants) to 12.7
It pains me but AMX Ghibli should probably go to 10.7
Most ariete tanks should drop 0.3br

AIM-9M is literally smokeless irl, that is a lot of the reason it existed in the first place.

which ones

While I agree there needs to be some changes, there are already a lot of CAS aircraft that can’t perform CAS because of things like the Pantsir/Strela/etc

Should the A-7D recieve the ALR-46 rwr?

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jieMTge6FdOL

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low quality 240P vid vs high quality video actually filmed this century. nice comparison dawg

In the last few seconds of that video, you can literally see the sidewinder with no smoke trail, but apparently you missed it.

Whatever, weather conditions may allow the AIM-9Ms to be visible, but it is up to Gaijin to code the exact smoke trail.

Damn broken br system… Why i have always fight against players with +0,7-1BR?? For 11 years same and not changing. Same br battle maybe once from the twenty battles.
This making me very upset and nothing change for years. Srsly GJ go to the hell with this

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Yes, one thing has changed Gaijin is ruining the maps by making them smaller and it’s BS after the last 11 years I have spent over $1000 on this game but no more they’re ruining this game by making the maps smaller no more will I spend money on this game!

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F-104G (Italy) gets 2x Aim-9Js, 60x Countermeasures, and it’s at 10.7.
F-104G (Germany) gets 4x Aim-9Js, 60x Countermeasures, and it’s also at 10.7.
F-104G (China) gets 4x Aim-9Js, no Countermeasures, and it’s at 10.3.
Germany’s F-104G is better than Italy’s as it gets 2x more Aim-9Js.
However, if we are going to move down Italy’s F-104G, we should see how good it is compared to China’s F-104G, which is also 10.3.
China’s F-104G gets 2x more Aim-9Js, which is very helpful, but at the cost of no countermeasures, unlike F-104G from Italy.
To be honest with you, since the F-104 is one of the fastest jets in the BR range, it’s not too difficult to outrun or kinetically dodge rear-aspect missiles, so the 2x Aim-9Js would be a better option. However, since all-aspect missiles, like the Aim-9Ls and R-60MKs, are pretty common around 10.0 / 10.3, I think countermeasures might be better overall.
So, the F-104G for Italy at 10.3 might make sense, but it could also be pretty powerful against 9.3s, which most don’t have any flares, are barely supersonic, and don’t even have any decent rear-aspect missiles (besides maybe the Shafrir 2s on the Ayit).

Then you have Japan’s F-104J, which has 6 AIM-9P (same as 9J) sitting at 10.3 without flares, a straight up upgrade comparing to Chinese F-104G. Honestly until more br decompression coming in it’s really lame to cramp all these F-104 variants within 10.3 - 10.7 bracket.

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Everything except for raising the F-15s’ BR seems fair

F-15J should be 12.7 because its an F-15C with probably the best missile in the game that competes against F-14A’s