You cry up with russian bias when something like that happens to russian tanks. Yet you don’t do the same when it happens to non russian tanks.
It is confirmation bias on your side.
You guys are yet to provide a single evidence for ruaaian bias.
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How would you know that? Do you watch my games and monitor my forum activity?
It’s funny how you guys just pretend the MANPADS dev blog didn’t happen. That is literally definitive proof.
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Did you ever cry about it happening to non soviet tanks?
If yes, how many times?
By what way? Because they standardized it? Just like they do with pen calculations?
You know, your (in plural) favourite new crytoy, the Object 292 just happens to miss ~300mm penetration with it’s dart. Yeah, that’s the russian bias for you.
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If you can’t even read a dev blog, why should I bother reading anything you post…
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Limiting PID to the effectiveness is not standardization, it is blatant bias. It’s like saying the Sherman can’t possibly be stabilized because the T-34 isn’t.
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How is it bias? Could you explain it?
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Btw, i can also use your argument to the penetration calculators. They usually return a smaller value than the actual penetration, so by your metric it is evidence for bias.
If you aren’t able to get it from reading that devblog, then you’ll never get it I’m afraid.
Just showing your true colours when that’s the only response you can come up with.
Very ironic for you of all people to be accusing others of being a crybaby.
To your nonsense - yes.
Maybe you could finally provide evidence of the bias you claim that exists.
What you currently do is just crying and coping with this bias nonsense, because you are just bad at the game.
Who is crying about a non existent bias as a coping mechanism? because it is not me for sure.
They would never do that only because stabilised T-34-85 and T-44 existed and USSR tested stabilised sights on some of their tanks before the war but non saw further production because of war starting.
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You have been told a dozen times. GJN posted evidence of their RussianBias themselves when they released that MANPADS devblog. They specifically mentioned how they were using Russian documents on the igla as “average g”, but interpreting western documents as “maximum instantaneous g”. If that wasn’t bad enough, they doubled down saying “they couldn’t see how the Stinger would turn so much better with such a small increase in fin area”. Lot’s of “we think”, “we believe”, and “we cope”.
It’s funny how your type always have to try and bring it back to stats. I know I’m not great at ground rb, but that doesn’t make me wrong. You’re also bad at WT, you don’t see me using it against you as an insult.
Crying? I probably abuse RussianBias more than you do. The difference is I don’t think it is fair for the game to remain this way.
You on the other hand rage every time someone brings up RussianBias, or points it out, like you’re getting paid to do it haha. I hope you are and you aren’t just shilling for a Russian company out of your own volition.
Rly? Can you give me some info on them? Or link it? I am interested.
I know they actually developed NVD too, but stabs look interesting.
Again, they have standardized it by some formula. Just like they did with tank shells.
And guess what buddy, they are not accurate at all!
The new crytoy tank, the Object 292 is missing 300mm of it’s pen. And it is a russian tank.
It is an universal thing, and applies to every tech tree.
Just like APHE doing more damage, and solidshot less, than it IRL did.
Also, APCR and early APDS is basically useless, and not realistic at all.
Yet you don’t seem to cry about those.
Yes, you cry about it. Also, why do you think it is fair to be in the game (let’s suppose for the sake of the argument that it is real)?
Damn, they are already late for the latest month’s payment!
Now seriously: I just debunk your nonsense.
I am constantly calling them out on their BS. I am also not defending them when i debunk your nonsense. I just state facts.
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Stabilised T-34-85 were named T-34-85-ST
Oh and I seemed to have been wrong about stabilised sights, they were produced on latest T-26 ans BT-7 series.
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Thanks, i will look at it.
If that’s your interpretation of the MANPADS devblog, then you need to use a better translation software or something, because you’re reading it completely wrong. It’s not my job to teach you English on the forums.
All darts and apds are doing that below 9.0~9.7
What does Gaijin using a simplified formula for damage calculation because of a lack of hardware capability (in the average gamer’s PC/console) have to do with artificially nerfing missiles using PID to Bang-Bang levels of effectiveness when PID is literally modeled in game already?
Penetration formulas → lot of variables, and you need a super computer to run them extremely accurately → Gaijin uses a simplified formula so that the average PC can play the game well → Gaijin fixes rounds when the penetration values are egregiously off from official sources
PID and Bang-Bang → PID is much more efficient than Bang-Bang, meaning you can pull harder in a missile with PID → PID is already implemented in game, and does not require insane levels of PC performance to use as a controller → Gaijin shouldn’t artificially limit PID missiles because Bang-Bang missiles suck
That simple enough for you?
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Best tank round in the game becomes Russian, is able to pen every tank in the game, and is at 10.0 when it’s got comparable armor and gun handling, but better mobility, than USSR 10.7 tanks. The thing should be a glass cannon due to it’s round, so in order to actually be the ‘glass’ part of ‘glass cannon’ it should be able to be penetrated by most tanks at its BR. The lowest BR where that is true is 11.0, so it should be minimum 11.0, yet it is 10.0.
Isn’t the USSR the tech tree that relies on APHE the most (especially in lower tiers)?
That is not what i said.
What i meant is that instead of using official data, they use a formula. If you look up official data, for example the M61 APHE has ~90mm pen, not 104, and the M72 has ~110mm pen, not ~90.
Because it is not a 11.0 worthy tank.
it has bad gun handling, has no ERA, no MG, reload time is awful, ready rack is small, bad gun depression, any hit that pens kills it, no thermals.
It is a glass cannon.
But even then, you need to know where to aim, depsite haing the most pen.
It is funny, taht you just say, that “best tank round in the game”, while rank per rank, this is the only russian/soviet tank that has the best round.
You don’t deem to cry about the Ikv 103, the M-51, chinese TDs with high pen dart and tandem ATGM with thermals, etc.
This is peak confirmation bias on your side.
Do you remember when everybody was crying rivers about the Object 775 on the dev server?
Do you know what happened, when they released it to the live server? Nobody talks about it, yet before that, everybody was crying russian bias about it.
The same way as Germany or USA.
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And Japan, China.
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And Italy, Sweden.
Same gun handling as the 10.7 T-90A.
The armor is comparable to the T-90A, even with the Obj 292 not having ERA.
A lot of glass cannons don’t have MG’s.
It’s mm of pen/sec is better than most of the Russian 10.0 tanks.
It’s only 6 less than the T-90A, T-90M, or T72B-3 - and with the 695mm of pen of the 292 it is only lacking in the ballpark of 15% less penetration than the tanks mentioned: 695mm * 16 rounds = 11,120mm of pen, versus 12,760mm pen.
It’s got more than the T-90A, and the same as the T-80U, T72B3, and T-80BVM. It’s literally only worse than the T-90M’s depression by a singular degree.
Yes, that is what should happen to a glass cannon.
A small debuff, I guess. Not worth lowering from 11.0 due to the insane penetration of its round and its armor would be too good for it to still be a glass cannon.
At 11.0 it would be, there’s literally no Br lower than 11.0 where most of the tanks would easily be able to pen it.
If “knowing where you need to aim” includes every single spot on a tank that won’t ricochet, then I guess you’re right, but I doubt you meant that.
Does Russia have a better round than 3BM60 in service? I mean Russia also has some of the best armor in the game (and until the Leo 2A7V and Strv 122+ were added, they had the best), and Gaijin isn’t implementing the anti-ERA properties of M829A2 nor are they going to for M829A3 going off of the devblog on the Abrams.
It can’t pen literally every single tank in the game frontally, and it isn’t top tier. For the record, it is annoying.
Most of the new artillery tanks have similar rounds while having better maneuverability, also I rarely ever see people talk about it.
Which ones are those? Also a lot of Russian MBT’s get ATGM’s at similar BR’s to the ones I think you’re referring to while actually being a tank.
What could possibly be unbalanced about a tank with a much smaller frontal profile with equivalent armor but a decently better ATGM being at the same BR as a ATGM tank with a much larger frontal profile and a worse ATGM (/s)?
I clicked on four random tanks from Tiers I through V in the US tree, so 20 tanks in total (about a sixth of the total amount in the entire tech tree, and I only looked at conventional tanks, not SPAA’s), and only one of them (the M22) had any type of APHE round.
I did the same thing with Germany, and only 1 tank (the Dicker Max) has an APHE round.
I did pick random tanks, so there might be more with APHE shells, but off of my random sampling only 5% of the tech tree (where APHE is actually seen commonly, which to my knowledge it isn’t past Tier V generally but feel free to correct me) uses APHE for both the US and Germany.
If you want to do the same with the minor nations you mentioned feel free, they likely have a decent amount of Russian exports in them so yeah wouldn’t be surprised if they had more APHE than the US or Germany.
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