Elaborate?
The J-11A is considerably worse than any 13.7 plane, but it might be too good for 13.3 (debateable, but this shows BR compression).
It is identical to the Su-27/J-11 apart from it having MAWS, which means it still has SPO-15 and N001 radar. Neither of which belong on a 13.7 plane.
I’m not sure what they mean by notch gate.
Have you… tried comparing it to any 13.3s?
The game made all radar weapons vulnerable to notching. R77 does not guarantee kill efficiency for it’s too easy to notch, while spo15 does not provide any notching capability without actually seeing the missile
Yes it’s better than su34 in flight performance and hmd, and jf17 for speed, msl load and hmd, BUT COMPRESSION. Compare it to any 13.7s and,… 13.3 would be a choice
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id say yak 1 yak 1B yak 3 yak-9U could all go up yak 9 aswell
I don’t like the idea of a Su-27 with R-77s being 13.3
The Su-34 is at 13.3 and is better in a few ways (More ARH missiles, much better radar, and a much better RWR), but worse in others (worse flight performance, no MAWS, and no HMD).
I don’t think it would be too much for 13.3, but I’d prefer decompression. This still doesn’t change the fact that it is by far the worst 13.7 plane.
MiG-29SMT, better radar and RWR in exchange for load out. JF17, lacks HMD but has better missile and radar and rwr. Also has less missiles. Still, pretty equal.
Better RWR and Radar in exchange for:
Half the missiles, 1/3rd the Flight model…
Which isn’t that unfair. You at least don’t have to use SPO15 and N001. It is worse, sure, but not more so than J11A to F15C for example.
Yeah, it is. They aren’t equivalent. I play the Su-27 into 14.0 games constantly and do fine even with SPO-15 and thats with R27ER as my strongest missile.
Consider how fun it would be for 12.3 to face a Su27 with R77
Same said with MiG 29SMT? What about 12.0s facing AMRAAM spam? 12.3 you’ve got F20 already, or stuff like JH7 with good enough RWR. SPO 15 sucks, and in itself is a limitation and there is no argument about it being way worse than F15C/J11B less so than MiG29SMT to J11A. Yes, SPO15 do ‘fine’ but ‘fine’ is no where near enough when you’ve happened to get no BVR capabilities and one of the worst missiles. MAWS is nice but it wastes half your CMs in one go.
29SMT is a far weaker aircraft. The FM loses to anything at 12.3 except for the phantoms maybe. The missile count is also low.
Not as bad as 12.3s facing flanker w/ r77s. Especially when the 13.0s with amraams are all handicapped in some way.
You’re not required to tie MAW to CM
And then it is useless.
Anything can trigger it, but wait, if u don’t tie it, what’s the difference?
Which is simply not true. Except from F20, nothing else beats it in terms of FM, obviously F16s but no radar guided missiles absolutely destroys them.
Which the J11A is handicapped as well. worse avionics than anything but itself (or J11/Su27) beyond 12.3. By far a worse radar compared to MiG29SMT at least. I would have said otherwise if Tornado was still here, but it isn’t anymore.
TIL having an RWR for IR missiles is useless
(or, that you cant just slave it to CM when you want to, and have it off when you don’t…)
The J-11’s handicap is straight up and only “muh RWR”. The 13.0 platforms all have between terrible and “usable at best” flight models (least to greatest there) and the lesser of the platforms like the sea harrier fa.2 is downright BAD as a jet. Like, it’s literally awful as a jet at 13.0.
The J-11A on the other hand is literally just a Su27 (13.0) but with R-77 and MAW, and the Su-27 is already very strong at 13.0.
Except from it detects everything with any sort of IR signal, friendlies, enemy aircraft, missiles that aren’t even meant for u.
And the radar. And the missiles compared to AMRAAM. Also not like I can actually play it like F14, I’ll still have to come down to dog fight people. I still have to play WVR.
And that is why they are of a lower BR, because they are more ‘handicapped’. And the things u can complain about for MiG29 is pretty much the opposite of J11A. So literally about equal. Flight performance doesn’t matter when u can’t lock straightforward targets at 10km.
Exactly, and which is not worth 0.7. NVM J11/Su27 aren’t even that strong against ARH holders. It is just not a fair fight be it R27ERs are really good. R27ET are my only consolation.
I use MAW pretty often. This is overblown. You can just check to see what is causing the signal then ignore. It’s also not nearly as sensitive as I remember it being in the past.
I am referring to this proposed 13.3 idea. At that BR, these are not real downsides. Having any fox3 is fine at 13.0-13.3. R-77 still works fine. Especially when you get as many as the J-11 does… there is no other 13.3 with similar capability.
No, because they are not disadvantaged to the same degree, nor are these things equally important.
Which it does well at…
In the current compression, seems fine by me. J11A is just better than every 13.3 if you direct compare as I said.
Where people will have the opportunity of killing u. And rather consistently.
They still are. Not as big of one, yes but still a downside. Also not being able to BVR at all hurts.
I am not saying it isn’t better than SMT, but it is also worse than every other 13.7 by roughly the same margin if not more.