The F-15A Eagle needs its BR dropped to either 12.7 or have a 13.0 Locked cap. It’s absolutely stupid that it goes into 14.0 battles with aircraft that completely outclass it akin to having a Spitfire MK IX fight against an F-16A, that might sound dramatic but its the same effect in practice, that is that much of a tech leap between the F-15A at 13.0 and 14.0 Aircraft.
The better solution is to move everything above it up, because the F-15A is one of the best 13.0 planes based on what I’ve heard.
It could be worse, you could be in a Mig-29G or Harrier.
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Either way something needs to happen, the F-15A seems like it should be a very competitive aircraft, and could be if it were fighting similarly outfitted aircraft, hell if it was the last of the “SARH Fighters” the fights could be some of the best in the game before you get to modern BVR ARH spam, jam & scram.
No? Can you for once think about what happens if it sees a downtier? Even at 12.7, you think its fair for a MiG-29 to share the BR with a F-15A?
I’ve played F-15J as recently as F-15E patch, that one does fine so I’m sure the F-15A does as well
Your Argument is the MiG-29 vs the F-15A and you think the F-15A is UNFAIR?
Perhaps you are unaware but the F-15A only has AIM-7M Sparrows, not even AIM-7P which has Datalink, AIM-7M, PRACTICALLY the same missiles on the F-4S Phantom II (F-4S uses AIM-7F but there is not much difference between the F & M models IRL, and NO DIFFERENCE in WarThunder.
Now it does get AIM-9M but your MiG-29 also has IRCCM missiles (R-27T) so that argument is MOOT.
You have Datalink Medium range missiles in the MiG-29 (R-27ER) , the F-15A DOES NOT.
We are not talking about the F-15C with AMRAAMS, this is the A model with SPARROWS ONLY.
dawg the R27T irccm is so crap that it might aswell not be on the missile.
Sure the R27ER has the range and speed advantage, but the mig29 only carries 2. not to mention the radar on the mig29 is as affective as a fart in the wind.
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AIM7M is effective enough for 13.0, I’ve had good time killing even F15Cs with F16A’s AIM7M. I get the point, but no, it is capable enough to be 13.0, MiG-29 does not compete in any way with F15 other than the 2 R27ERs. R27Ts are IR missiles but u really should use them as ARHs but with RWR warning, close up pretty easily flared. With R60M it is pretty hopeless, worst IR missile from 12.0 up basically, no chance. Radar, rwr, manoeuvrability and speed all inferior to F15 so that is a pretty easy one to conclude.
So let me get this straight, you think an F-15A at 13.0 is good enough to fight 14.0 aircraft?
The reason I bring this up is 85% of the time (my last 15 matches in the F-15A) have bumped me to 14.0
Literally playing the F-15A gets you into ADVANCED Fox 3 fights with a mid Fox 1.
It’s fine, I could deal with 13.7s with F16A, you should be able to do it with more CMs, HMD, more missiles and AIM9M. I have no issue either in SU27, which is better than F15 cause of missiles but also it is balanced by horrible radar and RWR.
They aren’t equal to 14.0s, thus why they are different BRs but they are good enough to deal with them if u notch properly.
And you think the F-15A is worse off at fighting 14.0s than the Belgian F-16A which gets exclusively 6 AIM-9Ms?
Yeah and i wager anybody at least decent at the game would agree
Oh I’m sure I’m not
Fully aware, it also has 4 of them on top of having 4 AIM-9Ms or AAM-3s.
Yeah! And they are EXTREMELY strong at that BR! That BR btw, which is only 1.0 below the current BR of the jet you want downtiered. Downtiered to the BR that would only be 0.7 above the F-4S. You are telling me, that you want the F-4S and the F-15A to exist within 0.7br of each other. LOL.
I’m glad you found that out!
No! It doesn’t, because you can only carry 2 R-27s and those will always be R-27ER so that you can ACTUALLY compete in the game! Your other 4 missiles are literally R-60Ms found as early as 10.3! (To use your tactic)
I have R-27ER or I have R-27T, which is it bud? I can’t have both!
R-27T IRCCM is dogwater btw. It is an easily flared missile.
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I think it’s pretty close in performance to most if not all others 13.0s when you consider ALL ASPECTS of the aircraft (like a good pilot should…) and that we just have a compression issue which is not exclusive to the F-15A. Yes! The F-15A SHOULD NOT fight the current 14.0s! Neither should EVERY SINGLE OTHER 13.0 WITHOUT EXCEPTION!
The F-15A is not uniquely hurt by this compression relative to other 13.0s. You can whine about AMRAAMs on the F-4F for instance but you aren’t flying a gen3 phantom into 14.0 games, are you? You’re flying an F-15 platform… there are pros and cons to all of this.
Ok buddy lets just cut the BS, here is a nice little link to help you out, and I will even take a picture for you… let me hold your hand…
WarThunder Official Wiki MiG-29
You DO get them both, hell you can sling 1 of each on either side, but you do get them.
Oh sweetie, let me help you out!
You see the red boxes pumpkin? Those are where the R-27s are able to go! So you can have TWO R-27ER (and no R-27T!) or TWO R-27T (but no R-27ER!) or ONE OF EACH! Isn’t that great?
For the green boxes, your literal only missile options are the R-60M!
So if I want to equip R-27ER, guess what? No IRCCM IR missile! If I want to equip the frankly BAD and NOT worth using R-27T? Guess what? No radar missiles AT ALL!
And yet somehow you can’t figure out the problem? That the F-15 completely curb stomps the MiG-29 because it has a far superior missile load AND flight model AND soft stats such as radar/countermeasures/etc?
You do not have the knowledge OR stats to back up this sort of egotistical chest thumping you’re doing when I simply try to tell you that your idea of downtiering the F-15A to 12.7 is bad because far worse jets exist at 12.7…
It’s crazy how little experience you have to be running your mouth so much!
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The F-15 was designed to be the pen-ultimate air superiority fighter before stealth, the MiG-29 is a multi-role 4th Gen so yeah the flight models are going to represent that.
Also congratulations on finding my profile (not like its hard to find), and yeah I constantly get up tiered to 14.0, if you don’t want it downteired then the 14.0 jets need to go up a tier (BR DECOMPRESSION) which I would also agree with.
Hell another thing Gaijin could EASILY do is give the F-15A AIM-120A AMRAAMS, sure they are not the best but it would at least be better than the AIM-7M’s and then it could compete with the 14.0’s at some level.
The problem is not with my suggestion, the problem is with Gaijin’s exceptionally well documented history of BR compression despite having higher player numbers than ever before (their original statement years back was they had low player numbers and needed to compress BR’s to get people into matches more often). This is why I suggested down tiering because it seems like they favor that over changing armament or decompressing the BR, its just got a better shot.
Ok. Just so we’re clear the MiG-29 underperforms in game and was in real life designated and designed to be a frontline fighter, not necessarily multirole (every single jet that flies today is capable of multirole)
I’m just saying you have very little to no experience. (In this case, very little experience flying jets at all and no experience in the soviet ones you speak of…)
So do I in 13.0 jets, somehow I still get 1-2 kills a game tho? Sometimes more!
nobody (99% of ppl anyway) is arguing against BR decompression, everybody is fine with this. What I’m not fine with is ppl acting like the F-15 somehow underperforms or that the F-15 would somehow not curb stomp every jet in existence at 12.7.
Then it would be 13.7! How do you not see this? You think this would be fine at the same BR? Are you that biased to the USA and ignorant to the way this game works?
Yes because it would damn near BE a 14.0! The F-15C is 13.7 for a reason!
You should simply accept the game is compressed instead of advocating for something as crazy as a 12.7 F-15!
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Both the Yak-3U and Yak-3 VK-107 should be 6.0 or 6.3.
It’s unreasonable that they are both considerably better than the 5.7 spitfire XIVe at the exact same BR.
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At the current moment I can’t find games at 12.0 - 12.7 or the 12.3 - 13.0 matches. Most of them close due to a lack of players on the red side(Russian) participating. At 12.0 - 12.7 Red side is farmed by Tomcats. Vietnam era planes have to fight planes from the 1980s - 1990s. Most of the Vietnam Era aircraft at 12.0 do not have radar warning receivers that give range or missile warnings. Fighting in the 12.0 - 12.7 Br bracket is demoralizing for anyone at the bottom of the tier. Especially when IRCCM missiles are in this bracket. This Br rotation is completely useless at the current time.
The best answer to correct this problem is to create a permanent Br bracket from 12.7 - 13.0. This would force period appropriate fighters to face each other. Players on the red side would access to semi active missiles and would face vehicles with semi active missiles most of the time. The best way to balance the F15A, F16ADF, JAS39A, and F14 B is to bring the first generation SU27/J11 and SU 33 down to 13.0. This would also provide an intermediate tier for players to get used to IRCCM missiles and evading semi active missiles. The f14 A could be moved up to 12.7 as well as the Mirage 2000 s4. The lesser maneuverable Aim 120 busses like the f4 Ice and Harrier II could be in this Br bracket as well as the Tornado F3.
The 13.3 -14.0 should be a permanent Br Bracket to allow planes with fully active missiles to face each other. The planes with semi active missiles are severely disadvantaged by losing lock while having to notch. The Su 27/J11 and Su33 with only R27ER have to face look and shoot MICA-EM and the Aim 120A/B.
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Are you talking about SIM? Because i don’t see any “Vietnam era plane” above 12.0 .
And as i tried the IRIAF one a few rounds in SIM (not a SIM player though , i was mostly setting up my controls to be able to play SIM after the navy event) , ok i can agree it is very strong comparing (i could do kills , where i shouldn’t because of no experience in the mode) …
But that’s the deal with Tomcat. Either you bring the armament where it should be (correct AIM-54s , AIM-9Ms/ AIM-7Ps) and uptier it… and it will be balanced , or they can keep it in a half-baked state as it is now and keep it there harassing other planes because it can’t go above because it is a different ballpark where it doesn’t have the correct tools to compete - when in fact it had similar armament with the planes above it in BR.