Did the Apache use AGMs other than the Hellfire?

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AGM-114L would make the AH-64E BR 13.3+ in ground battles with how things are currently.
SPIKES would allow AH-64E to remain 12.0.
JAGM-MR would allow ~12.7.

Select SPAA reductions would allow some 12.0 helicopters to move down to 11.7.

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And if Multispectral (MMW / IR ) Smoke was universally granted due to abstractions and game balance?

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Hard to say if it’d be equal or better to IR, I know radar has little issue around trees compared to IR.
So probably more similar to JAGM-MR’s BR than SPIKE’s.

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A simple Google search would have revealed many articles stating it was Brimstone 2 being tested in those videos:

Dual Mode Brimstone is being added this update and Brimstone 2 uses the same guidance method…

The TIALD pod from the late 80s / early 90s can designated a target from 30 km away. So it seems unlikely that the AH-64E from the 2010s would be incapable of 25 km.

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Depending on what it was guiding, it doesn’t necessarily need to be able to use the laser, GPS/INS + two way Datalink should be good enough to put it close to the target. Also it is known that a single Longbow radar can be used as an offboard sensor for fire control for an entire section to farm out targets for missiles on other airframes.

And with LOAL / independent search modes that is even less of an issue.

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It would be enough if Gaijin would just unfuck current Hellfire models and/or add Romeos for improved IOG.

I qiute look forward for the new replay feature, it should be very easy to show how badly the hellfires are modeled.

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Thing about proxy fuse is that you can just easily intercept aa missiles with it and since no spaa in game carries 12 ready to fire missiles, so you can just easily outspamm your spaa oponent and then take him out when he rouns out of missiles.

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Ka-50 can’t fire more than 3 missiles at a time, and a Ka-50 that wastes missiles is a Ka-50 that doesn’t get any frags.

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I don’t get the hate for hellfires. Their anti tank capability is amazing, and you have up to 16 of them. When I was using them, I just aimed center mass and rarely they did not one ohk/overpressure. My only issue with them is their trajectory, which has both it’s ups and downs (head on against T series tanks it always aims for the drivers hatch, which is funny). Would be nice if it got the option to select direct or loft attack modes

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Since the the F&F variants are verboten (and the advanced ones are nowhere to be seen), due to Gaijin being inconstant (and being unwilling to add multispectral smoke), you get stuck needing to baby sit them all the way to the target, this combined with the fact that they are incredibly slow (36~38 seconds to max range), exposes anyone attempting to use them to increased risk, that other missiles halve the time to target (or better yet don’t require further intervention so you can immediately return to cover) so in a contested / denied environment get stuck holding the bag for extended periods opening them up to reprisal by basically any and all threats.

The erroneously modeled Blended flight pathing is also a complete invention on Gaijin’s part and so causes additional issues with overstated in flight drag values, and angle of impact were they only reach 8~16 degrees instead of the 30~55 or so that they should. Which also induces issues with how the HEAT warhead interacts with ERA & NERA arrays (though with the recent changes things are better than they have been).

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they probably used tow’s in some cases although that would be extremely rare since they were facing them out by then

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I got all but 2 helicopter for us by using ground so I second your statement

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I think tripod already explains it well so I’ll just give my perspective. The biggest issue that plagues the hellfire is it’s speed, flight model, and guidance type. Though missile count and damage output is good, it doesn’t balance it out with the amount of down sides you will get.

Penetration: Yes is less compared to the hellfire however any elevation over tanks can easily pen and cripple the tank. Unless you’re firing on the same altitude as the tank, which is ground level (ignoring the fact that you can’t even have LOS on ground level since terrain features exist), you will always have altitude/elevation over a tank. This is ignoring the fact that many almost all tank engagements will be from the side or at an angle. So penetration doesn’t matter.

Damage: Yes the damage on the Vikhr is significantly less than the Hellfire however two consecutive launches can result in a kill or at least significantly crippling the tank. this doesn’t mean you can’t kill a tank in one blow. It can happen but not to same efficiency of the hellfire.

Speed: 475m/s is not slow at however what you fail to consider is the burn time and trajectory. The Hellfire only hits it’s max speed for a short period of time, then looses that speed very quickly. This doesn’t help the fact that the trajectory is of a arc, leading the flight time being significantly longer. The combination of this results in a very slow missile at the point of impact. This means that you cannot make course corrections without it having the missile being thrown off.

The Vikhr missile doesn’t suffer from this issue. It’s burn time significantly longer resulting in reaching a max speed of 600m/s, and since the trajectory is of a straight line, it doesn’t bleed speed as fast resulting in a very fast missile at the point of impact. This means you can make course corrections without having the missile being

I did a quick test, 93m altitude, hitting a target 5.1km away. The time it took for the vikhr to hit, 10 seconds. The time it took for the hellfire to hit 20 seconds. that is 20 seconds of you being in a vulnerable spot.

The Vikhr is a beam riding missile. It is not affected by smoke, bushes,trees and etc. As long as you can see where the target is, you will hit it. You can see the missile as you guide it.

Meaningless statements like this:

AGM-114 can ripple fire and frag up to and over 8 tanks in <120 seconds.

False, you don’t see 8 tanks all grouped up together (usually only seen in PVE) let alone not one smoking after one gets hit. At best you can get away with 2 or 3 but rarely anything higher. This doesn’t also assume the fact some tanks have LWR meaning that you cannot surprise them and 9/10 they will smoke.

AGM-114 has a more consistent warhead.
Vikhr can go through smoke.

Misleading. Vikhrs has a consistent warhead but it’s significantly weaker than the hellfires. Though one thing to note is that you can still over pressure on the roof of tanks and overpressure in general. You sacrifice speed and accuracy. Speed and accuracy is more important. Hitting targets at range with precision (through smoke, foliage, etc) is more important. The more time you are in the air, the risk of you being hit by a spike, sam system, etc.

stop repeating Russia’s claims

This term has been thrown willy nilly and has lost it’s meaning. Russian claim doesn’t mean anything, it’s how it’s implemented in game. Vikhrs is the most superior manually guided missile in game. You will constantly see posts complaining how much of a nuisance Vikhrs are but not hellfires.

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Hellfire misses despite laser designator being on target, not enough thrust registered.

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If you want the AGM-179 it is a weapon that is used on the AH-1z. Just saying.

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They are implemented exactly how they’re used IRL.
Which means you’re claiming they’re superior IRL, which begs the question of why every major country chose laser, IR, and radar instead.
JAGM-MR is laser guided.

So yeah, you’re repeating Russia’s claims.
You pit an Apache vs Vikhr launcher, the Apache will get 16 ground frags in the time the Vikhr launcher gets 4 - 6.

“But muh smoke!” is temporary, and mostly an offensive feature of a tank.

Carpathians, Abandon Factory, Japan, Abandon Town, the list goes on. Every small to medium sized map has groups of tanks.
Carpathians is where I got most of my helicopter frags for both my Ka-50 and my Apache.
I haven’t gotten Carpathians when using Britain otherwise Rooivalk would have more frags too.

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Incorrect, Vikhrs and most likely other missiles of that guidance type over-perform in game. Viikhrs when launched has a spiral path and the farther it goes, the more inaccurate it becomes. In addition it only has one control fin so the maneuverability will be a lot worse. What we have in game gets rid of all that

In game implementation != It’s real life counterpart. To say otherwise is being naive

Also incorrect. Smoke is used to temporary hide yourself from laser, thermals and also visually. If all you do is sit in one place in that smoke (even after you’re done repairing) that’s on you for dying. You need to reposition which is what a lot of people have done.

Misleading, for those who don’t know, read this: The double standard when talking about the Brimstone's capabilities - #290 by HondaCivici

Again playing in a PVE setting or Heli PVP (which ended almost a 2.5 years ago) doesn’t translate to GRB. You will rarely see 8 tanks grouped that close. Let alone not one popping smokes and getting behind cover.

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The Vikhr spins in-game, as well as has reduced maneuverability just like real-life.
This isn’t 2020 anymore.

The fact you keep calling ground RB “heli mode” is proof enough.

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Incorrect. Spinning != Spiraling. I suggest you watch videos of Vikhrs being launched instead of getting your historical facts from warthunder

Misleading, show us your service record for the vehicles that can use hellfires in Realistic Battles

Edit: This is my issue with these type of people, they play PVE or heli PVP and think their experience in the apache will be the same in GRB. It’s absolutely appalling when they say things like the Hellfire is equivalent to the vikhr.

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Lets not forget that the laser guidance cone does not get narrow in WT as it does irl and the fuse needs to be set prior the launch.

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