@ShOt_MaCkEr
Brimstone needs to be fixed no matter what.
Britain needs its weapons to be as correct as possible.
I don’t know if you’re doing it intentionally or not, but scroll up for a while, it’s nothing but people getting mad and arguing with you. I know you have a lot of time, but you’re not a Jesus Christ himself to even think that you’re the only right one in this pool of sinners. Just come on.
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@ShOt_MaCkEr
I don’t understand why people are mad at me for wanting Brimstone to be fixed… I really don’t.
This is just not true. Where ever you point your mouse the missile will follow it. That is in a sense what beam riding is. Laser guided agms don’t work like that. It needs a point lock for it to work, otherwise it will be using it’s IOG. The issue with that is point lock gets interfered with terrain features (trees, bushes, debris,etc) frequently. Again this is a known fact by the majority of the community.
laser guided bombs are different because you’ll be firing from an altitude where terrain features don’t become an issue. Those are two completely different things
Just out of curiosity what gamemode did you play when using helicopters?
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Me: “Brimstones will be as OP as everything else if implemented correctly, even if we have to compromise on no ARH. They should be as correct as possible.”
Also me: “Su-34 due to being the heaviest afterburning jet coming to War Thunder will see an airframe slightly worse than Tornado IDSs due to its weight and design. Will it matter? Probably not.”
People: “BLOCK HIM!”
Me: “Why are they mad after I said basic facts every single British player said?”
@Serasvonvictoria
So because I like China and Britain I’m bad?
Wow… just wow… Well, keep thinking I’m biased in favor of China and Britain all you want I guess.
@HondaCivici
Ground RB, assault arcade, and heli PVE [heli PVE and assault arcade use player-detail vehicles with real damage models, good place to practice against MBTs with composite if you need it].
I played A LOT of assault arcade fragging T-80s, Challenger 2s, Abrams, Leopard 2s using Apache from various altitudes. Very good practice, translated well when I played ground RB with helicopters a lot.
And of course ground RB where I fragged more variety.
And heli PVE where there’s just a select few MBTs.
And that’s where the issue lies. You rarely play GRB from the looks of it. Yeah obviously you will say you have no issues with the hellfire. Saying that you practice only means something if you play GRB.
I don’t like stat peaking but it makes a lot more sense with the takes you have on helicopters
**for transparency, I filtered out low tier helicopters
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wait??? Harrier Gr7 out ranges pantsir are u serious??
Thanks for proving I have played ground RB with helicopters a lot.
Oh, and my performance is usually 4 frags for thermal equipped helicopters, and 0 for a number of misjudged positioning and got correctly yeeted by SPAA, along with dumb rocket rushes that ended up with the helicopter dead usually without frags. Once I saw a good YouTuber I stopped the rocket rushes, but of course the deaths are permanently there… I don’t care but others might.
I played more G-Lynx than I remember.
@Ritsu_Kuriaki
I’ve outranged Pantsir with my Harrier GR7 at least 3 times in random battles, and more times in custom battles when I was learning Pantsir’s weaknesses.
Learning Pantsir’s weaknesses the first week it was added was the best thing for me to do, cause it allowed me to adjust my CAS playstyle to never die to it.
I would’ve hopped into a sim ground match with a jet for a proof, but sadly no Pantsir available on the enemy team.
this is the real truth. brilliant conclusion!! :D
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wow!! 3 times!! wow!! impresive!! give u an award Pantsir Killer ok?
stupid pantsir could even be destoried by a single 250lb dropped from a bf109. and then i could say now bf109 is outranged pantsir right?
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Not sure if you’re sarcastic or not but 52 battles in the apache with a kd of little over 1 doesn’t scream being skilled in that heli. Practicing in pve doesn’t translate over to GRB.
I just realized how much time I wasted on you. I assumed that you had a decent amount of helicopter games when you made your claims. But really man, 52 battles for a helicopter that you claim to do so well in? For a helicopter that you claimed that is on par with the KA52
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I play all ten tech trees, I have over 20 guided CAS playforms, and play naval, air, heli, and ground. 2 hours a day average.
Which includes at least 15 rocket rushes…
I’ve done over 30 rocket rushes in Ka-50.
Both are conservative estimates, as it’s likely far more than that; almost all of my kills in both are from their AGMs, and at least a large minority of my deaths are from the rocket rushes.
Also you forgot the 12 aircraft I fragged with Apache…
Zero in G-Lynx obviously.
Also how did I get 10 aircraft fragged in Mi-28A? I cannot remember any of those matches.
we are talking brimstone mav and KH38. Lets get back. why do u think mav and brimstone is better tha KH38 tell me
shifting the goalpost isn’t gonna get you out of this conversation. I don’t care how many nations you play. I don’t care how long you play.
Many of us though all your claims regarding helicopters came from you having experience playing those systems against players. So I was surprised how inaccurate and misleading those claims you spouted were.
Surprise surprise, all your games were against bots not actual players so of course you think the hellfire is just as good as the vikhr. Yeah, I too would chose the hellfire over vikhr if I’m playing against room temperature IQ bots. Do they even pop smoke in PVE?
You should specify that your claims only apply to PVE not GRB.
Play more helicopters in GRB before jumping into a conversation you have little to no experience in.
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And actually the most powerful weapon used in heli PVE mode is isreal AH-60 equipped with 16 spikes so lets move this battle hawk to 12.7 XD. this man is really crazy
then according to his conclusion AH-60(isreal) is the best helicopter in warthunder. really funny
and gaijin should nerf spikes to laser guided right?? XD
Failure is a teaching tool.
Failing rocket runs probably a hundred times across almost a dozen helicopters I learned more about damage models and player behavior than I would if I just watched videos.
Learning isn’t just from success.
Also demanding that I play hundreds of hours of helicopters is an extension of goalposts, and yes that’s hundreds.
Cause I’ve already played >30 hours of helicopters in ground RB.
Real players don’t pop smoke unless they have a laser warning receiver, and even then that means they’re incapacitated and with less smoke.
There is more to fighting ground battles than you directly performing well.
@Ritsu_Kuriaki
I am not going to answer a leading question about something I never stated.
Honda stated my take on KH-38 in a vacuum.
Also a post that’s attempting to gaslight me while demanding AH-60 be moved up…
it will surely happened
yapping for the sake of yapping is not gonna distract anyone from what’s being said about you
We talking about Guided AGM not dumb rockets. I’m not asking you to play hundreds of hours, I asking for you to be experienced in playing helicopters in GRB, against real players not bots. The reason is because your takes regarding hellfires are mostly wrong.
Next time you’re debating, don’t bring up your experience in playing the hellfires or vikhrs as a way to prove a point. Rarely anyone here talks about PVE.
The KH38MT needs to be removed, preferably all KH38s.
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if they cant give us a dumbed down FnF mode for the brimstones (they wouldnt even be that broken considering how terrible the spikes are, not to mention the multitude of issues people have already found on them) then they should remove the FnF mavs from the F15E and KH38MTs since both of those weapons do the exact same thing that would be so broken on the brimstones, being able to out range sams