You’re taking my words out of context. What to do with vehicles whose operator clearly cannot be the PRC (F-16, Mirage 2000, M60, and many others)? The only apolitical solution is to give this equipment the operator’s flag and the corresponding country name. Attempts to alter objective reality to suit political sentiments lead to conflicts.
If for some reason you don’t like the flag of the Republic of China, you can continue playing with the PRC flag just as before. But why do you want to take away my right to change the flag to one that I simply like more from a stylistic point of view?
You are the one attempting to alter reality to suit political sentiments. We already have the solution right now, which is using the ROC Army flag for such vehicles. It’s ridiculous how you pretend I am the one trying to take away freedom, when I am simply supporting the apolitical status quo. It’s you who is trying to cause a political scandal and spread hate.
Using army flags would open up a can of worms, seeing how you could then argue for naval ensigns, as well as regimental/division banners and the sort.
Would I be opposed to that? No.
Would it be feasible to implement? Absolutely not. Not at all.
It’s why Gaijin pulled those things to begin with.
Yes, even the ROC army banner one (Which is currently used for the ROC vehicles in game). Officially, anyways.
I just said the problem. It wouldn’t be feasible to make hundreds or thousands of separate division/regimental banners to represent each division to use a vehicle.
Adding naval ensigns would open the door to that, and that just isn’t something Gaijin could manage.
And since you added on after, im going to remind you this is early dev server. A replacement is probably underway.
I remind you there is an lvt with 555mm of armor in there right now missing modules and weapons too.
It’s important to realize China accepts the sacrifices of the ROC in trying to protect the Chinese people from Japan. In The 800, a mainland PRC film, they don’t shy away from it’s representation. Why should this be any different? It’s a historical flag that properly represents at least a third of the Chinese tree in game. It’s only fair to have it as an option to represent authentic history. This shouldn’t be political or controversial.
No, it wouldn’t add any extra work for Gaijin. The customization feature only used existing game flags that were used in backgrounds or as the operator flag.
I’m not as hopeful as you, I’m not going to back down until there is official news
The use of the army flag is because Taiwan is a part of China, not an independent nation. If you want to represent Taiwan in the custom flag functionality, there is no problem, as the Chinese flag is already ingame.
I think you’re missing what I’m saying.
I’m saying it would lead to gaijin having to add regimental banners and the sort. Icons for each division, such as these.
Because, if you add naval ensigns, a separate thing, you could start arguing that that would also make adding division ensigns valid. Or, perhaps, banners of various army groups.
How about instead of needing Gaijin to add everything in the world they just make it check first for a folder called “UserFlags” in the game folder where we can put an image with the name of the tree e.g. china.png and it’ll load that?
We can already do that with skins and sights, seems like it would be extremelly simple to implement, at least simpler than creating the whole “pick your flag” window.
This is the kind of dialogue we definitely do not need for a videogame.
Theres a valuable discussion here in allowing the use of the RoC flag without sovereignty threats or implying some future conquest.
Saying things like this is counterproductive and is exactly what many Chinese players refer to when talking about “racism” or “bringing politics in” etc.
For the record I am in support of adding the RoC flag, specifically for the use of vehicles within the 1928 - 1959 timeframe.
Within a state or military there are multiple levels of subdivision, here’s some examples of this in context of the United States:
National level
-US flag
Department level
-Department of Defense flag
Service level
-US Army flag
-US Navy flag
-US Air Force flag
-US Space Force flag
Major Command level
-US Army Forces Command flag
-US Army Materiel Command flag
Field Army / Corps / Division level
-1.st Infantry Division flag
-XVIII Airborne flag
Brigade / Regiment / Battalion level
Company and below
So far Gaijin seems to be working according to a set of rules when it comes to operator flags. The operator is either a national flag or a service flag
This is a national flag
These are service flags (Text says Russian Empire but it’s actually the Russian Naval Ensign)
This is the current state of affairs and I don’t believe there is a need for more subdivision than this. Either way it is ultimately up to the developers, if they feel there is a need for a division or a regiment flag then they’re free to add one. They just haven’t done so yet.
By the way, that would be an excellent solution to the problem. At the very least, we can already freely change the country names in the text via modifications. However, I’m not a developer and don’t know how labor-intensive it would actually be to add such a feature. As far as I know, the flags aren’t stored as .png files but are part of the resources embedded under the Dagor Engine’s extensions.
Well the game already can load external images as seen with the skins and sights, and it can change the flag icon as seen in the dev server, all it would need to do is point towards that folder and check if there is any images there, if there isn’t or the game fail to load it (wrong size or format) then it defaults to the standard packaged flag.
Real question is can Gaijin do it without breaking missile fuses or HEI belts again?
Back in the day, I worked for a short while at an indie studio on a game. There was this funny incident when I was doing a simple render for the unit damage distance. As soon as I finished the first version of that mechanic, helicopters stopped working in the game. Somehow, that basic rendering broke the helicopters. So, in a way, there’s some truth to that joke)
