Consolidation of german vehicle suggestions/ wishes

[theHarbinger123]

This post is primarily a place where i can collect vehicle ideas for germany, for future reference.

But i encourage anyone wanting to add to the list to reply to this topic with any info i have wrong or vehicles to add to the list.

First up

Faun kraka terrier: hispano armed rat mobile.

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Spz 11-2 kurz: hispano armed light tank with 57mm of pen.

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Waffentrager weisel

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Wiesel 2 rmk30

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From what i can tell this is the wiesel 1 ATM HOT

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Tam VCTP: essentially argentinian marder.

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The marder m12: m30-2 armed marder, seems to be a 2000s prototype so likely apfsds.

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105mm SLR (super low recoil) testbed mowag shark: unsure of specific ammo, likely heatfs.

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Mowag trojan with marder m12 turret. Mk30-2 30mm.

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Wheeled boxer

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Tracked boxer

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Kf31 lynx

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Th400 105mm: leo 1a5 turret.

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Th400 120mm: at least this appears to be a 120mm with the rounded bore ecacuator and differences in its muzzle.

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Th400 with 76mm gt4 second german prototype entered into rooikat trials.

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Acv puma leo 1a5 turret with 105.

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Acv puma with 25mm cannon
Known versions.
Oerlikon 25mm 440hp and 750hp versions.
25mm mauser 440hp and 750hp versions.
Mauser turret appears to be the TH302/tam vctp turret with different armament.

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TH495 IFV: Oto Melara T25 25 mm armed prototype export ifv. This appears to be the turret of the dardo ifv.
There also appears to be one with the marder m12s turret and a mk30-2.
Potentially italian and german addition.

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Marder medium tank with centauro turret

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Leopard 1a4

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Leopard 1a6

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Spz 2 luchs

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Almost forgot the famous marder 2 with a 35mm/50mm cannon.
Would likely be worse than the puma due to having a crewed turret.

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GDR bmp2

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Saurer 4K 4FA G2 austrian ifv with a 40mm??? Im not really sure, no real info on this version.
Second image is more likely the 20mm version.

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Marder clovis fl20/105: autoloading APFSDS slinging 105 with a coax 20mm. Also might have theramals, or just basic nvds.

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BGS m8: modified m8 greyhound with a 20mm

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APE APC: amphibious apc armed with a 20mm

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SPZ RU261 similar to the SPZ 11-2 kurz but different chassis.

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Marder LWT-3: a marder with a 3-axis stabilized turret. Appears to be an early design likely meaning it wouldnt have fired apds.

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Marder CCV/Evolution: marder with external composite armor with protection against rpgs and a mk30-2 cannon with up to date ammo choices.

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Greek kf41 demonstrator

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Kf41 lynx: alternate turret with side mounted spike launchers

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Boxer skyranger turret option 1:

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Boxer skyranger turret option 2:

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Boxer with RT60 turret:

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Vilkas:

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Marder HVMS MICV: unkown as to its true existence but assuming it did, another small caliber cannon would be great.

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Neue Gepanzerte Plattform: a future tank designed to have either a 140mm or 120mm gun.

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EMBT: french and german joint project with a 120mm autoloaded main gun, an RC 30mm grenade launcher and a 7.62mm gun attached to the commander sight. All packaged in a low profile turret. As well as the trophy APS

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Leo 2 PSO VT: basically leo 2pso with more frontal armor

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Lynx 120: not kf51 as evidenced by the hull shape and 6 road wheels

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Kf51: future tank with an autoloaded 130mm

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Boxer 120: tracked boxer with a 120mm

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Boxer ifv cockerill: 105mm that appears to be autoloaded

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Leo 2 RUAG: swiss modification of the leo 2

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Leo 2 NPZK: 140mm testbed

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[x_Shini]

sorry but your post is a bit redundant, it already exists in a way more extensive form

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[theHarbinger123]

Ah thanks, probobly shouldve checked. Though i do still have my own personally priorities in terms of what id like to see germany get.

[theHarbinger123]

Also those lists dont seem to include any minor nation stuff.

[MS_Phantasm]

I can actually get behind this. To me, the lists feel slightly obselete and should be cut down. It would be better to push for a specific list of vehicles that have purpose rather than just repetition and redundancy, especially if it’s C&P.

Like one of the biggest problem I’ve seen is the lack of Rank III-IV light vehicles.

[theHarbinger123]

The acv pumas other known variants are the light 25ton 440HP hulls. These have 4 road wheels.

And the 32 ton class 750hp hulls with 5 road wheels.

The one shown is a 440hp version with the cb25b turret with a oerlikon 25mm kbb.

There is also another 25mm turret, a kuka E4A1 turret with a mauser mk25 25mm.

This is a potential 4 light tanks for both events and the tech tree.

[theHarbinger123]

Yeah stuff like a command bmp2, and more t34s is a bit unnecesary. I prefer to look into areas where germany could actualy use more vehicles.

Germany has great medium tanks from brs 3.3 to 11.7 no need for any copy paste versions.

Germany’s light tanks are lacking past the ww2 puma. The marders arent able to kill things the way any other 8.0 8.3 ifv can and the puma is sitting at 10.0 with the bmp2m, chadley, 2s38, strf9040 bill, and others when all it has is a gun and incorrect armor and tons of bugs.
And the m41 despite my love for it will never be that good of a light tank.

Sure imo the puma is fine at 10.0 but looking at the average puma players stats in battle most people ive seen have a 0.3 to 0.5 k/d

[x_Shini]

@theHarbinger123

at the average puma players stats in battle most people ive seen have a 0.3 to 0.5 k/d

Its a shame, i find the Puma to be quite good and prefer it over the bagel

[Ghostmaxi]

@theHarbinger123

Acv puma with howitzer

Thsts not a howitzer, its just a cut down 105 L7, with a counterweight to save space. The gun is non functional in that state.

[theHarbinger123]

Wow really? Thats both surprising and stupid.

[Ghostmaxi]

Why stupied? Its not intended for service, but they want to keep it for history, you can see a couple of different Leo 1 with shortened barrle and counterweight.

[theHarbinger123]

Yeah i get that, its just a shame to see it. But i guess its better than losing prototypes in a field or putting them on the firing range.

[Ghostmaxi]

Indeed.

[War Crime]

Just hope to see the osa akm sometime soon …

[x_Shini]

how would it perform compared to the flakrakrad? theoreticaly the AKM is newer isnt it?

[War Crime]

6 9K33M3 missiles with an operational range of 15km and a top speed of 1020 m/s. Not sure how many Gs it can pull, but max target engagement speed is 500m/s.

[Chris4win]

I really hope they add a light tank with an auto cannon for Germany in the near future. This list contains many. Now with the amx10p with spotting and dm63 at 5.3 it shouldn’t be that hard to give germany an auto cannon vehicle aswell.

[Hartsy1]

odd choice but u want the 1a4 the most atm as basic as it is lol.

[MS_Phantasm]

The immediate problem is that a AMX-10P equivalent might be seen as redundant to the Weasel, just at a lower BR.

But if it would be implemented one of the SPz’s or RU’s would make sense.

[GHOST_KING5710]

Can we get this

Flakpanzer IV (3 cm Flakvierling) ‘Zerstörer 45’

The honer is mine sorry for not sending the link here but i never intended to send this as a suggestion i only send it here so i don’t lose the search if my suggestion get deleted the suggestion i made was on the 4th of September and still pending to this day. Yee that was a stupid move on my part i removed them at some point but i kept it for soke reason