https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/0CFMwFL5w4lk
So you didnt even bother to read the report… in game the 2a7 doesn’t have tech on the hull, it keeeps using c tech, aka the base armour keeps being the same as the leopard 2a5, d tech is only present in the turret
C? it more like a B tech with composite screen on it don’t even have same level of protection as 122
Pretty sure that it is c, it doesnt have the same protection as the strv because the add ons on it have better modifiers
It’s the same for A7Vs and Strv122b, but I don’t know if there is a variation of armour thickness between the two strv122Bs. Also, the strv122A seems better in terms of armour than leopard 2A6, is it true statistic wise or is it just me too scared of Strv122s.
So you didnt even bother to read the report…
2A7 is suppose to have the same hull protection as the turret.
That being besides the point your forgetting one thing I said.
You started this even knowing I said “Assuming” and “we don’t truly know”
We don’t know what the War Kit is made up as it is classified. Given that War Kit entire purpose is to protect against KE threats then MORE THEN LIKELY its going to have a higher armour modifier. Higher then it currently has in game if Gaijin gave a shit.
My post was to show what the effective armour would be IF the armour modifiers were 1.25 and 1.00. I never said that they were. I was expanding on @SneedSellsFeed War Kit post.
So if you want to have problems with my simple math and assumptions then go to Sneed’s post and have problems with his since he uses 1.5-2 armour modifier.
its racism guy again
Chinese tanks are fine lol
others need buffs, mostly the chally, worst of the bunch. Ariente has no armor yes but has everything else.
Chally’s fuel tank wont boom when be hit
and they have much better shell and reload time than Chinese tanks
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if you aren’t one shotting the chally anytime you fight one it’s really just a severe skill issue
the mantlet can be one shot through
the mantlet
if you shoot the hull you have to be talented to completely miss all the ammo, you have to be trying to miss to do it.
chally’s reload doesn’t count because it lasts for like 2 shots. it’s real reload is 10 seconds. And also the Chally 3 doesn’t get the reload.
Yes and chinese vehicles have nothing but mobility. What else, they are not fine.
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my brother in christ the ZTZ99 gets turret AND hull protection against DM53
“nothing else but mobility”
Us Britain players will take that ANY day of the week, speed and armor? And a better gun? Lmfao.
Utter delusion
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why do we have to compare Challenger and 99A? Should be compared with BVM, 122B, leoA7
In front of these three tanks, everyone is very poor
As much as a love hating on Challengers for being shit, ZTZ99 are horrendously modeled.
Similarly to us Chally Bros, ZTZ99 mantlets are just a glass window, and should be better. Their overall model is overly large as well as the lower plate is larger then it should be.
ZTZ99 and Challengers are both not in a good spot, but for different reasons.
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I still remember when it first entered the server, and got found out that the crew were over 2.5 metres tall. It still is very hard to sustain shots, but I no longer have to have Michael Jordans in my tank :)
Yeah, well you do have more gun depression, better reload which gives you ability to snipe from behind a hill. I can’t do that in ZTZ99A, it has no depression or elevation, nor can it reload in 5 seconds (C2)/6 seconds (C3), I have to take 7.1 second reloads. On top of that, you have got spall liners all around, so I can barely do any damage, when ZTZ99A gets one shot by breech lower front plate and driver.
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You can play behind a miniscule number of hills, yes, I’ll take your armor over that >ANYYYYYYYYYY< day of the week
Challenger 2’s real reload time is 10 seconds, as the ready rack lasts like 2 rounds. The spall liners are completely and utterly worthless because if you fail to one shot the Challenger when you can one shot >ANYWHERE< on its hull, that’s just lmao.
Meanwhile you have a great front plate, great turret.
Oh did I mention the Challenger’s breech is the largest in the game and has garbage mobility?
Mate I get it if you feel sleighted in ways but the ZTZ99 is a good tank, the Challenger 2 (In war thunder) might as well be the worst MBT in the game, and I would argue it is worse than the Ariente because of the mobility/pen/reload/turret traverse/etc
but to say the ZTZ is bad is just crocodile tears, it’s strong. Not everything can be meta in every way, but by golly is the ZTZ in pretty much every way. It’s nonsense to say it badly needs buffs like it isn’t just a small amount lower quality than the leopards/t-80bvms/strv 122s
It is no better than Challenger. You mentioned Gun Breech? WTF the ZTZ99A has by far the biggest weak spot and the largest gun breech in game. That is a one shot through breech and two crew members. Also, if you just show the lower hull in any shape or form, you are 100% dead since your autoloader and fuel tanks are just massive bombs.
I’ve spent the last month playing air mainly just because how bad it is, it is literally impossible to utilise your armour since your weak spot is so big and to try to team up with stupid Russians every time you have to also suffer from Strv122Bs and Leo 2A7VS
every time.
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1eYOWMuJWJ3n
As for the Merkava 4’s, the main problem with them is the lack of Armour. It has been reported multiple times, in multiple threads and bug reports but seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
The image above helps explain it better.
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I struggle to think how the engine cools though if it has such a large armour plate on top.