As much as a love hating on Challengers for being shit, ZTZ99 are horrendously modeled.
Similarly to us Chally Bros, ZTZ99 mantlets are just a glass window, and should be better. Their overall model is overly large as well as the lower plate is larger then it should be.
ZTZ99 and Challengers are both not in a good spot, but for different reasons.
I still remember when it first entered the server, and got found out that the crew were over 2.5 metres tall. It still is very hard to sustain shots, but I no longer have to have Michael Jordans in my tank :)
Yeah, well you do have more gun depression, better reload which gives you ability to snipe from behind a hill. I can’t do that in ZTZ99A, it has no depression or elevation, nor can it reload in 5 seconds (C2)/6 seconds (C3), I have to take 7.1 second reloads. On top of that, you have got spall liners all around, so I can barely do any damage, when ZTZ99A gets one shot by breech lower front plate and driver.
You can play behind a miniscule number of hills, yes, I’ll take your armor over that >ANYYYYYYYYYY< day of the week
Challenger 2’s real reload time is 10 seconds, as the ready rack lasts like 2 rounds. The spall liners are completely and utterly worthless because if you fail to one shot the Challenger when you can one shot >ANYWHERE< on its hull, that’s just lmao.
Meanwhile you have a great front plate, great turret.
Oh did I mention the Challenger’s breech is the largest in the game and has garbage mobility?
Mate I get it if you feel sleighted in ways but the ZTZ99 is a good tank, the Challenger 2 (In war thunder) might as well be the worst MBT in the game, and I would argue it is worse than the Ariente because of the mobility/pen/reload/turret traverse/etc
but to say the ZTZ is bad is just crocodile tears, it’s strong. Not everything can be meta in every way, but by golly is the ZTZ in pretty much every way. It’s nonsense to say it badly needs buffs like it isn’t just a small amount lower quality than the leopards/t-80bvms/strv 122s
It is no better than Challenger. You mentioned Gun Breech? WTF the ZTZ99A has by far the biggest weak spot and the largest gun breech in game. That is a one shot through breech and two crew members. Also, if you just show the lower hull in any shape or form, you are 100% dead since your autoloader and fuel tanks are just massive bombs.
I’ve spent the last month playing air mainly just because how bad it is, it is literally impossible to utilise your armour since your weak spot is so big and to try to team up with stupid Russians every time you have to also suffer from Strv122Bs and Leo 2A7VS
every time.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/1eYOWMuJWJ3n
As for the Merkava 4’s, the main problem with them is the lack of Armour. It has been reported multiple times, in multiple threads and bug reports but seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
The image above helps explain it better.
I struggle to think how the engine cools though if it has such a large armour plate on top.
Snail: makes Merk4 even fatter without improving protection
That is job of cooling system to deal with it, how engine itself is encased it doesn’t really matter.
Yes but you can still see how every other tank have cooling directly above it which is a source for tank IR signal. How is it possible to run such a huge engine without cooling, since the high temperature should be trapped.
Well he ain’t wrong.
In small bits below the breech yes it is wider, but no, overall the Challenger one is wider, and also gets none of the trolly bits that the ZTZ has.
Yeah I’ve also been testing with DM53 in the protection editor and just, no, nowhere I shoot the breech does it one shot. It’s >possible< the Protection Model isn’t accurate fully, but I know as a Britain player I pretty much exclusively try to shoot the LFP of the ZTZ because yes, it’s larger than the Russian one.
But to compare these two as equals? No, it’s pretty obvious to everyone which of these tanks is better, and it isn’t the Challenger lmao.
Lmao have you find you enabled Consider camera vertical angle?
Yeah, because I was placed higher than Chinese tanks because Chinese tanks are lower profile? ??? What type of dumb roast
Like lmfao turning it off proves the breech is even bloody smaller than was claimed.
Of course it “claims” that the Challenger has marginally less weak spots that way (It doesn’t, it just doesn’t shade it as well, as you can test with the rounds how low you have to put the camera to make it bounce) Lmao.
Regardless, the models of the top tier Chinese mbts are wrong, which have been proven and acknowledged, fixing these will at least improve Chinese mbts’ performance, which is overall a step forward for making minor nations more competitive in top tier.
And that’s fine, but to act like the Challenger and ZTZ are on even remotely similar levels is just utter nonsense.
I’m still confused on where they got the 4 round first stage ammo from.
The problem is that the breech inside is massive, but does not absorb any spalling. It seem to have just created way more spalling than any other nation. I literally spend half of my battle time fixing the breech. China seem to be the only nation where the breech seem to be non existent against APFSDS, the spalling just travels through it like nothing.
