And that’s fine, but to act like the Challenger and ZTZ are on even remotely similar levels is just utter nonsense.
I’m still confused on where they got the 4 round first stage ammo from.
The problem is that the breech inside is massive, but does not absorb any spalling. It seem to have just created way more spalling than any other nation. I literally spend half of my battle time fixing the breech. China seem to be the only nation where the breech seem to be non existent against APFSDS, the spalling just travels through it like nothing.
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Why is it always the job of players like you to complain, when Chinese players even mention the tech tree’s problems, that “everybody has issues” and nobody should be entitled to special complaining? And yet, now we see a case of supporting all fixes in unison, we have players like you that complain their vehicle suffers worse, and can’t even be compared on “remotely similar levels”? This is not a competition to show your true intentions as quickly as possible …
Also, penetrable area does not equal survivability. Chinese MBTs have only 3 crew members, and easily detonable ammunition. While most Challengers have 4 crew, spall liners all over the front of the vehicle, and stores some ammunition that cannot be detonated. To call them incomparable on “remotely similar levels” and call players comparing them “delusional” is ignorant.
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I simply disagree that China is in a bad state.
Britain and the other nations are in a garbage state. This entire thing started when someone simply said “Chinese MBTs are fine” (I could also note the OP says >nothing< about the absolutely appalling issues of the Challenger) and people got mad and tried to say how “awful” the ZTZ99 is while trying to argue the Challenger is >GOOD< The challenger is the worst MBT in the game. The ZTZ is just solid.
Chinese MBTs are much better than the other 4, the guy above is complaining about the breech, he clearly has never played Britain. The breech absorbs nothing and always kills at least two crew.
Britain’s spall liners are useless, and the ammo boxes and even the dart rounds themselves (no, I don’t bring hesh) detonate on >any contact< so any shot to hull is an instant ammo detonation. Again, you clearly have no experience with the Challenger.
The ZTZ is simply better in essentially every way in this game currently and to act like it’s not is, as I said, delusional. It’s not me being ignorant or trying to simply talk down to you. It’s just cold facts. Nobody is saying you can’t complain or ask for improvements. But again, comparing minor nations that are just, garbage, with China which may not be fully desirable in its current state to you, is a false equivalency.
Also if the lad above is complaining about constantly needing to fix his breech and not how he constantly gets ammo racked, I don’t think you’re getting one shot nearly as often as claimed.
also unlike China the Challenger keeps getting nerfed further into the ground lmao
Are you a fan of “special complaining” or “exclusion”? Both, even after you have been called out? Take your pick. This is just a load of rubbish.
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And I disagree with that, it is subjective and you can feel free to start your own thread regarding how you think Chinese vehicles are not weak, but it is out of topic here, we are trying to fix issues for everyone, not infighting with prejudice over subjective matters of who gets the even shorter end of the stick.
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Really? It just got given 6.5 second reload. I get it that it has very little first stage ammo, but as a ZTZ99A/VT4 A1 player I barely get to fire off 4 rounds before being killed by any apfsds one shot. I barely see a challenger being one shot in the hull. The 7.1 second reload just does not pair up with the great mobility. ZTZ99A is not in a much better state than challenger simply because of spall liners additions eliminating flank efficiency. As long as the model is fixed, I think it should be ok to play, but challenger just have to be BR change and play style change.
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No thanks I’ll respond to what’s in the thread if I please, thanks