China does not possess a single competitive vehicle above 14.0

Hmmm… maybe. For aircraft missiles it would be… acceptable.

But for SAMs, especially when already dealing with the issues of ARH vs Helis…and the fact you cant mitigate MP by firing from above like you can with aircraft… It needs to be set to IRL figures

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True, in grb mp needs to be changed. Luckily most of the ARH missiles you see in grb on SAMs aren’t the same as on aircraft.
Gaijin could use that as an excuse to lower mp height much more for those specifically

and as MP is already set on a missile by missile basis (just all set to the same figure) that is easily done.

But for aircraft… we’ll see. 40m is certainly a reasonable starting point

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would be funny if gajin also made it so that the trees arent 50 meters tall on some maps

It shouldn’t be in-game in the first place, Gaijin took their sweet time preparing ECM, only to “tease” and dangle said feature onto the player’s faces for the hype and pack it back to the nebulous development.

Either way, the Ninth Wave update, the J-15T addition, and the Nuclear Thunder event and features have been heavily disappointing in my opinion.

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j-15T was expected imo, cool jet, not good for war thunder tho

Gotta be the most copium induced thread I’ve ever seen

Who cares what you think works, you have not explained the enemy side of it, just because you think they are MP does not mean they actually are. RALT is completely different to ALT and they might not know that.

With MP removed, the entire BR would have to be changed on 100’s of aircraft and the top tier would be like 17.0

What is there to explain?

Learn to defend properly instead of exploiting a gimmick that needs removing

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You made up a terrible scenario in your head to discredit the value of MP as if it was a final conclusion wrap up.

You cannot run fox 1 against fox 3 and notch at same time, you will lose every single time at altitude. But, would you know that playing 12.0 90% of the time against 11.3’s and 11.7’s that don’t even have fox 1 or pd?

Well, true you cant notch, but you can use “cranks” and “f-poles” to kill R-77 users (and the less skilled ARH users)… issue is you can’t tell if they shot a 77 with the aerodynamics of a snakeye at you or a R-27ER railgun, at least when you are cranking you are a less appealing target though.

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I agree with your post. Although there is weird sensation in War Thunder as a whole with the idea of the “less appealing target” it always shifts the burden onto your team mates who have to eat or tank missiles so you can just run around. That’s basically always the advice with these horrible balance and BR’s in AIR RB. Hide in the back or run around the mountains while your allies get dominated so you can maybe fire off some garbage f1 or f2 later in the game.

Playing 12.0 gets uptiered vs 13.0 a lot. I have no issue using Fox-1s to pressure aircraft like the F-14A. Even in those full uptiers im at 10-15k ft. The advantage of sitting at altitude on overall missile performance and the ability to counter low skill players exploiting MP is significant.

I do the same in the 13.0s such as the F3 Late and FA2 all the way up to 14.7s like the Typhoon. I will do the same if/when I get round to the F-18s and Im debating getting the F-2A ADTW in the upcoming sales, again, I would not operate that aircraft at low altitude.

Anyone with a single brain cell knows how to counter someone flying in MP, so in your scenario of a fox -1 aircraft flying at sea level vs a fox-3 aircraft flying up high, all you are doing is nerfing yourself and giving your opponent a direct advantage over you.

Heck, even in low level ground attack aircraft such as the Tornado GR4, I will still notch an incoming threat rather just sitting AFK at MP height, because MP is extremely unreliable most of the time anyway

I would suggest watching some guide videos on how to notch if you currently dont know how it works.

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Explain how

TRK MEM is a funny feature

Worth learning so you can maximize the performance out of your Fox-1s

While I hate to discourage one of the few players in this game that realizes they are on a team…
I find my team mates are perfectly capable of dying horribly regardless of, and in many cases despite, my actions, it’s just best to do the best you can do.
They can also take evasive actions, it’s not on you if they do not.
I am an advocate of team play in things like: if a friendly is in a fight, kill the enemies on his 6, not the guy he just spent several minutes wrestling into a kill shot etc, but you are not obligated to eat a missile he is full capable of avoiding himself.

gaijin most certainly gives out artificial buffs and nerfs. some aircraft have missing weapons, fictional loadouts, incorrect flightmodels for the sake of either trashing a vehicle’s competetiveness in the meta or making it king.

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Looking the guy up on statshark/in game will do a lot of the explaining for their post.

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I expected worse

but anyways i truly think chinese 14.0 plus is very underwhelming

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