China does not possess a single competitive vehicle above 14.0

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I’ve literally seen them deny a flight manual for not being a valid source and laughed for like ten minutes because the copy paste response they gave listed a flight manual as a valid source.

Also earlier you mentioned something about like them giving ahistorical buffs, currently the sustained pull of a mig 29 is equal to its instant pull rate which is higher than its actual sustained rate.

As well as I’m pretty sure a number of Russian tanks use 3bm60 despite not being able to nor actually fielding this round IRL.

You also have the bmpt which the entire handling of it has been exceptions to the rules and mechanics made for it specifically to buff the vehicle.

Stepping away from top tier the lower tier russian tanks have exceptional angled penn performance because gajin has just decided that the metal of the rounds and the way they were created would just allow them to have better angled penn.

Like people have said gajin sometimes does give russia things that buff it, but largely they tend to just not add mechanics to the game until either russia can have them, that or they just model the things in a way that prevents them from giving any meaningful advantage over russian tanks.

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Usually mp didn’t work when I tried (I just thought it was good for stock grinding without chaffs), so I just stopped going low and started flying high. Not always notch works too, but that’s more about bad timing and skill issue I guess, lol. Plus top-down missiles are definitely more effective, rarely mp will save you in that scenario.

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MP will only really protect you if the missile was also fired from low alt. When it was set to 100m, it was more effective at dealing with higher angles but the reduction to 60 and the increased performance of the missiles has greatly mitigated the effect.

Combine with aircraft that were designed to be up high, there is just little reason to stay low.

And even with stock grinding without chaff, I found the more effective tactic when stock grinding the AESA Typhoon was staying defensive and kinematically defeating missiles rather than MP

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It seems we have a terrible side effect with the changes to PL and the buff (sidegrade) to PL12A.

PL12 now has one of the worst maneuverability among the Fox3s, and now you can dodge it as if it were an AIM7 Head-on.

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well yes, have you not seen the complaints lol?

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USA has the highest amount of meta jets in the game of any nation, they just aren’t at top tier

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Example?

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the only br i can think of where the US has the most meta jet its 14.3 and thats it

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Purple = Simply meta for their BR
Yellow = Very strong, but not overwhelmingly meta

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See above comment

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Most of the purple ones you selected aren’t meta to be fair.

They have counterparts in other nations that are either equally strong or sometimes straight-up better.

The only jets from your selection that I would say are meta for the BR are the F8U-2, F-4E, F15A (because it is now blatantly undertiered), and F-18A.

Most of the early jets you selected are just good/decent, The AV-8C can’t possibly be meta when you have stuff like the Ayit doing the same missile job (a bit worse missiles but with more of them) while being a decent dogfighter too, unlike the Harrier.

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They are meta, objectively.

This is not a disqualifer for being meta. There are always multiple meta vehicles at any BR and any mode.

F-80s are strictly meta for their BRs and are just straight up pretty much the best jets at their BR overall. F-86s are the exact same with the ONLY contenders to the F-86s being the MiG-15 and MiG-17.

F2H-2 again is just strictly a meta 7.3 with the only real competition coming from Su-11. No other 7.3 really does anything to it.

I could have colored this yellow, either way, still strong.

If you disagree with anything I said above, feel free to list the exact jet names that you think are as strong.

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Very sensible choices, but I have to disagree with the F-104, it’s simply not that good anymore. People know how to counter it and the turn rate (or energy retention?) got even worse like a year ago. Either way I gotta agree that 7.0-12.7 got tons of super good planes in USA.

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Being meta means they are the best in class, and can either be the best there is in a particular BR, or share the same performance with some others.

So lets run your meta list…

F-80A-5, I agree… It’s possibly the best one at 7.0. The Kikka is also quite good but I would need to revisit them to choose between them, but the F-80A being much easier to play I would say its the best.

F2H-2 at 7.3. It’s strong as a jack of all trades, but you also have things like the meteor mk3 that is, in my opinion, the best 7.3. Not even 6.3+ props can turn with it.

F-80C-10 at 7.7 is meta but faces equally strong competition. Meteor Mk4, La-200.

F-86-5 at 8.0…Good but the Sea Hawk is just better, so can’t be meta.

F-9F-2/5. I like them better than the F-86-5 and because of the infinite wep bug, they are currently on par with the sea hawk. So I agree, as long as they keep enjoying the unlimited WEP.

F-86-25 at 8.3 it faces a lot of strong jets, some with decent FM paired with missiles, and the Yak-23 is just better than the F-86-25 at its own job. Not meta.

F-86F-2 at 8.7 its the same FM as the previous one at higher BR because of cannons, which helps a lot but it faces even stronger opposition. At 8.7 it shares the same BR as the Alpha Jet E, Lim5p… the Amazing guns though.

AV-8C at 9.7. Just no. Not even a chance.

The rest I agreed, with the F-15 being by far the best in the BR because it is blatantly undertiered. Should never have left the 13.0 BR.

The F-15C GE is also the best at 14.3.

Forgot about the F-104s, they aren’t meta for sure. They are very easily avoided and can only pose a threat if you are already dealing with someone else and you are low on energy. A support fighter is never meta.

Also, I would add the F-4J/F-4S as meta

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F2H-2 is stronger overall. It’s more well rounded. Sea Meteor mk3 would be my #3 after F2H-2 and Su-11

I don’t see how you think this. Regardless F-86A5 would still be top 3 and thus fall under meta even if I agreed.

Purely false. F-86F-25 and MiG-15bis are the strongest 8.3s and nothing else comes close, especially not Yak-23 which is a one trick pony hoping everybody turnfights you.

The F-104, and the F-104 alone, has completely determined the 8.3-9.7 meta. The entire reason that the MiGs and F-86s got downtiered was because of the F-104.

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Yak23 accelerates like a mig-15bis and turns almost like a meteor mk3. It was fine at 8.7 and at 8.3 is undertiered.

Then why did all the other similar or worse jets kept their BR? The mig15 and sabres went down because they were the most played ones by newer players that made the stats look bad.

F-104 was good back then but we are talking about current performance, they handle considerably worse now.

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Yes… caused by what… The F-104 is still one of the best 9.3 jets. I would put it yellow in that above pic minimum

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At 9.3 you have far better choices. Hunter F.6, multiple Mig-19 variants, ariete, and the F-106A that does about same job as the F-104 with an option to dogfight at slow speeds

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So, yellow.

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Not even, its below average