Chilean SubTrees for Israel

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Flag and Coat of arms of Chile

Good afternoon friends of the forum, today I want to talk to you about the possibility of Israel getting Chile as a sub tree, this is an idea that has been mentioned many times in different topics within the forum, I myself am the creator of the Chilean sub trees for Israel within the suggestions area and today the suggestion of the Chilean aerial sub tree is the most voted and with the highest approval for an individual nation (not a coalition) surpassing today the 700 votes, also the terrestrial sub tree already has 800 votes demonstrating that Chile is one of the most popular options if not the most popular to be added to Israel.

Before delving into the history between Chile and Israel, I would like to give some context about Chile’s extensive military history and the aircraft that were operated by Chile in the beginning and that would allow Israel to expand to rank 1.

Some aircraft used by Chile before, during and shortly after the Second World War

The Chilean air force was born in 1930 (94 years) and was the first in Latin America, for this reason it has a very long history of military purchases. Due to its excellent relations with Germany, in the beginning, almost entirely only aircraft from that country were operated, especially Junkers bombers and Arado seaplanes. There were also some purchases in Italy, such as Breda airplanes. This changed when the Second World War broke out, where due to the impossibility of obtaining spare parts and due to pressure from the United States, Chile would begin to use North American material almost entirely due to the PAM (mutual aid pact) where the United States would send material for free to Chile and other Latin American countries to protect America from the axis countries.

Some of the propulsion models used by Chile from the 50s to the present

Entering the jet age in 1953, Chile began using British material, purchasing the Vampire from Great Britain and shortly after the North American T-33A and F-80C, the latter being used by a few American countries. Already in 1966 the British Hawker Hunters were purchased and in 1974 the F-5 Tiger II, these two fighters being the main means of defending Chile when it was almost at war with its neighbors at the end of the 70s. It is during these years where the rapprochements between Chile and Israel would begin, which we will detail later. As you can see, the Chilean material was extensive and of quality at all times.

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Hawker Hunter Aguila (Eagle) of Chile firing an Israeli Shafrir II missile

As mentioned previously, relations between Chile and Israel would begin in the 1970s at a time when Chile would have an embargo on military purchases by the United States and would leave Chile in a critical situation due to the impossibility of purchasing spare parts or military material even in Europe. This was tremendously problematic since a war was looming with Chile’s 3 neighboring countries, only 2 countries were willing to help Chile, these being Brazil and Israel. Thus, in 1977, Chile and Israel signed a contract for various military materials, highlighting the Shafrir II missiles that would arm the Hawker Hunters and the purchase of the Israeli M-50 and M-51 Super Sherman tanks. Before the arrival of these new Israeli tanks, Chile only had old M4A1E9 Shermans and M41 Walker Bulldogs and not very good tank doctrine.

Israeli instructors in Chile forming a new armored doctrine for the Chilean army

Once the new tanks arrived in Chile, experienced Israeli instructors who had participated in the 6-day war and the Yom Kippur War traveled to Chile to form a new tank doctrine in the country, which was very valuable for Chile. Also within military sales, Chile purchased from Israel the new 60 mm IMI HVMS cannons capable of firing APFSDS-T ammunition at high speed, installing this new cannon on Chile’s M-50 and M24 tanks, thus creating the most powerful variants ever created in the history of service of these tanks in any other nation, thus giving rise to the M-50 HVMS Super Sherman and the M24 HVMS Super Chaffee capable of confronting tanks as powerful for the time as the Soviet T-55/T-62.

M-51 and M-50 HVMS Super Sherman tanks from Chile

M24 HVMS Super Chaffe tank from Chile

It is worth mentioning that the M-50 HVMS and the M24 HVMS were suggested in the forum to be added to the game and they already passed to the developers a few months ago so perhaps in the future we will possibly see them in the Israeli tree as an event/premium vehicle, another curiosity is that within the game there is already an official Chilean skin for one of the Israeli vehicles, this being the M-51 (W) premium.

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After having overcome the years of almost having gone to war with neighboring countries, Chile continued working with Israel on various fighter modernization programs, the first of which was the creation of a new Mirage variant, modifying Chile’s Mirage 50 to a standard similar to that of an Israeli Kfir C.7, giving rise to Chile’s Mirage Pantera, armed with Israeli Python III missiles.

Mirage 50CN Pantera (Panther) armed with Israeli Python III missiles

Another important modification was that of the F-5 Tiger II being sent to Israel to be modernized under the IAI package called F-5 Plus, now renamed F-5 Tiger III Plus, making them one of the most powerful F-5s in the world, armed with Derby and Python IV missiles, being used to this day by the Chilean Air Force.

F-5E Tiger III Plus armed with four Python IV missiles

Currently, Chile and Israel continue to cooperate in all existing military areas (army, aviation, naval) and multiple high-ranking authorities have traveled to each other’s countries, further strengthening the ties that have existed for decades. Also, a large part of the Chilean weapons is made up of Israeli material (assault rifles, missiles, howitzers, mortars, rocket artillery, military vehicles).

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Commander of the Israeli Ground Forces, Major General Yaacov Barak with the Commander-in-Chief of the Chilean Army, General Ricardo Martínez, year 2018

Lieutenant General Aviv Kochavi of Israel with the Minister of Defense of Chile Baldo Prokurica, year 2021

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FACH Commander-in-Chief General Arturo Merino with IAF Chief of Staff Brigadier General Eyal Grinboim during a visit, year 2022

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Commander-in-Chief of the FACH at a meeting with authorities of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, year 2022

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Meeting of General Staffs between the Chilean and Israeli Navies, 2018

Commander-in-Chief of the Chilean Navy, Admiral Enrique Larrañaga with the Commander of the Israeli Navy, Vice Admiral Ram Rothberg, at the Haifa Naval Base during a visit, 2014

But now I would like to know what you think, do you think Chile will arrive as a sub tree for Israel in future updates of the game?.

Below I leave you the Chilean sub trees for Israel that I made within the forum where you can find more information about the different vehicles that Israel could get with Chile and detailed descriptions of each one, as well as the votes for each one:

With this I say goodbye and I would like you to leave your comments about what you think about all this, although obviously in a polite manner.

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If Israel ever gets a Subtree, this is easily the best candidate for its addition. Would really love to see this nation added as a Subtree someday…

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It is assumed that this year gaijin will continue adding sub trees as they said in a publication in December of last year, perhaps in a large update we will see additions of sub trees and who knows, maybe something from Chile :)

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Absolutely, it gives Israel a realistic, interesting and still pretty unique subtree, given Israel’s rich military cooperation with Chile and Columbia, I entirely support the addition of specific south american nations to war thunder =D

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A South American nation going to a Levant region tech tree is certainly a bold proposal. But Argentina went to Germany so its not all that absurd of an idea, Israel really needs the vehicle diversity too so I’m for it

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+1 for this, lots of great proposals and great info to fit Israel TT into the game better, plus the addition of Chilean tech would be very nice and help make the TT more filled. hope gaijin is taking notes on this

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Fingers crossed! It’s truely the best addition and most logical one for Israel!

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They recently sent me these images, I think the Chilean variants of piranha are endless hahaha

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Chilean piranha with 81 mm anti-tank grenade launcher, like that of Sweden or Germany

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Chilean Piranha with Norinco HJ-8 anti-tank missiles

There are literally like 10 variants of the Piranha in Chile with different weapons and turrets, they can cover Israel’s need for light and anti-tank vehicles. although obviously gaijin would not add all the variants

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New subtrees are coming this year and Israel is definitely the nation that needs a subtree the most.
Hopefully god snail hears you and Israel gets some love and we see some Leopard 2A4CHL very soon.

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absolutely beautiful, I really do hope that gaijin is taking notes and hearing you out for all the dedication you put into these posts, lots of great and unique things they can add in the game

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Yes, as a chilean myself i think israel would be the better option.
Even the “copy pastes” have some unique modifications and i also think israel needs the vehicles

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Even the Chilean Leopard is one of the most voted tanks in the forum, people want it a lot in the game.
I hope Gaijin realizes all this, so that Israel can get a MBT in 10.7, and with the modernization of the Chilean Leopard in the hands of Aselsan they would get another MBT in 12.0.

Personally, I would like to receive M322 and 11.3 BR to accompany the Mk3 Merkavas.

Really well thought out and researched suggestions. Would love to see this even though I don’t play israel.

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Yes, but there are 2 versions that currently exist of the Chilean Leopard 2A4

This is the standard Leopard 2A4CHL with DM33A2 ammunition which could be 10.7

and there is the Leopard 2A4CHL (MCS) with the multispectral coating from the Israeli company Fibrotex, this version could carry the M322 ammunition and would have the advantage against enemy thermals and would be ideal for 11.3

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there is also one for the a-26b-50

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I know that skin too, but in this post I wanted to let people know that there is a skin that links Chile to Israel.

They’ve pretty much removed most of the premium vehicles that were there. I suspect we’ll have some news soon (there has to be some news soon, dammit)

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You mean premium Israeli vehicles? I just realized that they did indeed remove the M-51 premium and the Spitfire. Mmm, maybe they are preparing to add the I-III ranks of Israel.

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