Does anyone actually know how to play this tank? It seems like a worse M4A1 76 (w) at 5.7
Top Speed, accelaration, reverse speed, TNT equivalent and reload is better, but it’s much larger, has much worse gun handling, has worse angle performance shells, and no stabilizer.
It would be reasonable at 5.3 but at 5.7 it’s not great.
Play it like a somewhat mobile TD with a fast reload if that’s possible.
worse ammo placement, worse armour, reload isn’t much better, like I can use it but it just feels like a Panzer IV H with a better cannon lmao
Well 4.5s instead of 5.9s is pretty decent.
But yes it’s basically a paper Tiger (like the Panzer IVs, but even they have better armour BR-for-BR).
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Mobility is much better however
True, though not by a significant margin… it still feels like a medium tank.
Better over all yes a bit. Better for its br hell no Chi-ri is worst tank at its br rn while 3.3-3.7 br Pz4s are best mediums gun wise and not bad armor wise for its br.
Chi-ris turret? Sure flat 75 mm armor is soooo goood. - aka nothing for 5.7 tank 3x its size
But hull wise even that 3.3 Pz4G has freaking 100 mms of armor in 80% of the front hull
While chi-ri has nearly flat 75-50 mm - it never been tanky even at 5.0 anything could pen it even in full downtier. But 5.7 is absurd. Should just go back to 5.0 where it belongs.
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Bruh… i really put too much sarcasm when comparing them but yeah, also people forget there is ‘hidden’ tiger P without additional frontal plate (100m front) at 5.3 (named VK something) it has early tiger turret (i think same as in h1) and no apcr, other than that same gun as other tiger 1s and electric drive (28 fwd / bkwd) sure it aint great, but it sure is above chi ri (i think it is even somewhat smaller than chi-ri)
tldr: germany has secret tiger at lower br and its much better, german bias or smth idk
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Agreed.
I can see why Gajin felt it was too strong for 5.0 after making the ready-rack larger, but I think it bumping it all the way up to 5.7 was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. 5.3 would be fine.
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How is it much better? The turret traverse is super slow and the reload is 7.4s compared to 4.5s.
It’s also slower. The armor is better but hardly better than a Sherman.
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No. 5.0 is only acceptable option. As said earlier many times the only real buff to chi-ri is better 37 mm shells that it should have had ages ago. Everything else was nerf or trade off. Lets not also forget nerfts before it was uptiered. When it lost most of its side armor, horsepower etc. did it get moved to 4.7? no. Even now its barely worth 5.0 its again trade off compare to Chi-tos not better. Chi-tos have better sloped armor, are smaller but slower reload. Imo should have kept 3.3 sec reload for the 3 shells and the rest should have been 6.5 sec like Chi-to that doesnt have autoloader. It would be decent 5.0 tank that I would be willing to uptier 4.7 tanks up to and fight tigers and jumbos in full uptier aggainst which its already very unfair. But I am not willing to fight king tigers that it cant do anything about.
It’s not entirely true that it’s only been nerfed before it was uptiered. In the beginning of 2025, it did get a nice mobility buff since the weight was reduced by several tons and the reverse speed was increased.
Tbf, the size of the ready rack is a historical matter that supersedes what we want it to be, though I would agree that the reload should’ve stayed at sub-4 seconds.
It could probably go down to 5.0 regardless and still not be too problematic. There have been plenty of far more egregious balance decisions. If further historical errors are determined and corrected, such as turret traverse rate or engine power, it might end up more suited to 5.3, but until then, as long as it’s lower than 5.7, I’d be content.
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Still find it dubious how a tank as big a Tiger II can weigh less than a Panther.
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Yeah, that’s understandable. I’m not sure exactly where the weight figures come from. I wonder if 37 tons is the empty weight.
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TRUE. you have right. on 5.7 is unplayable! he must down on 5.0!! and his turret rotation is a nightmare.
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it is vibe based…
But if you want to be 'objective ’
- Slightly lower profile
- Much better turret armor (volumetrics)
Atleast with my skill issues it has gotten penned much less - OP Teammates
- Much better lineups around this vehicle
In a sense yeah, it would look like a sidegrade, but you cant compare vehicles in vacuum, there is its environment which imho matters more
I always wondered, arent tank weights ultimatelly determinstic ? You can just multiple it by knowing armors volume and metal density? add a couple of tons for engine & transmission (if they arent known) shell weights are known from ballistic tests, meat bags & additional modules are not significant imo
Throughout Heaven and Earth, Chi-RI Alone is the honored one
MHI calculated the mass of the fully-loaded Chi-Ri as 35.7 tonnes at the time the prototype was built (チリ車説明図) - this is including all crewmen, ammunition, fuel, etc.
Later specifications from the Japanese and US intelligence state that its fully-loaded mass was 37 tonnes, which is a typical increase over the design calculation.
I don’t see why the mass would be suspect. The tank is lightly armored; the thickest plates are minimized and don’t even span the whole front profile… compared to something like a Panther, it’s quite modest.
Chi-Ri was required to have a mass less than 35t, and it would be quite a problem if it weighed 40t or more, as this exceeded the existing Japanese logistical capabilities.
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it’s balanced.
has decent mobility, good reload thx to the autoloader (and now 18 shells in the ready ammo rack, it was worse before the upgrade), decent traverse, good depression, meh optics and a really good cannon for 5.7.
u shouldn’t expect a japanese tank (excluding the Ho-Ri) to have good armor.
going solely based on what you typed, yes its balanced at 5.7
however youre just looking at lines on a paper and not the whole picture. because if you did the picture would be completely taken up by the chi-ri because its the size of a house. its speed is average, but doesnt offset the size of being a house, its armour is average, but because its the size of a house its pointless because every plate is massive and easy to hit, so bouncing a shot isnt something you can rely on. its auto loader is great for an ambush, which you cant do because its the size of a house.
at the end of the day, the BIGGEST problem of the chi-ri, is its size, thats the reason why the delot torn is so good, its because its smallish it can get into spots without being seen and abuse its auto loader, something the chi ri cant do, add on its got an extremely weak gun for its size limits what it can do.
also finally, the chi-ri was never the best 5.0 medium, the auto loader change was a side grade, the added crew didnt really help much (most likely made things worse because now youre reload can get worse than before) and the new shell for the 37 is still a joke of a gun. the change was a side grade and shouldnt warrant a br increase
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idk how size would be a problem, all this sounds like a skill issue.
i have done decently in the Chi-Ri in literally just 9 matches.
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