how high are the chances for positive changes for it, what are we thinking?
I’m a teeny bit pessimistic about it.
ehhh, to me, not high at all, considering the track record
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This issue occurred in all aircraft of 15CGE, EF(AESA), Rafale, and Kfir C.10 in the past, but has now been fixed.
It remains a mystery why only the J-10C was not fixed at the same time and was left unresolved for over half a month.
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This video is gameplay before the fix. Don’t you think TWS is behaving very similarly?
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To further elaborate current radar issues I quote some more diligent people on the Chinese forum, but most are just lines of code so you’d understand its contents.
As shown in these datamined lines, almost all AESA/PESA’s buggy “fast TWS” function has been removed to facilitate a more reliable tracking. Not J-10C’s KLJ-10A. The Chinese commentary just says “don’t play J-10C, it’s garbage. I’m a content creator so I can at least stand this thing, but ordinary people with lower skill levels than me should not suffer this trash.”
@ParryACO-psn some food for your thoughts. Maybe you can use this to the other communities.
To translate:
“Nearly all AESA/PESAs, including those not-so-popular ones or those released ages ago, for instance those of Kfir C.10, F-2A and Su-34 have been fixed, so why isn’t J-10C’s? That makes people curious…(/s)”
So yeah two key points needs questioning:
The range modes of J-10C’s radar, made in China after Chinese GJB (National Military Standards, equivalent to U.S./NATO MILSTD), which is strictly metric, are curiously 19/37/74/148km, which exactly corresponds to NATO standards using nautical miles.
The J-10C’s radar cannot tract targets reliably using TWS, even when the field is as small as 30*15°. This track loss also applies to J-11B, F-15E, etc.
More suspicious points would be edited in in the future.
Yeah and a third, many AESA radars (I suspect that GE and super H also have this problem) cannot track targets that fly out of the zone even when the radar is guiding a missile via DL.
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This is the explanation Gunjob gave me during the update
Well j-10c’s radar loses lock when you are going head-on on the grounds as well… but yeah at this moment all radars are easy to notch.
However having two beams (one PD and one not) cross-referencing with each other should be able to give a reliable lock, even outside the TWS zone, should it not?
I’m just a player, so I don’t know much about it.
Can you explain it to me like I’m stupid?
Specifically; a simplification since I know next to nothing about aircraft.
So as this topic is about J-10 I’ll limit my scope to J-10C.
The TL;DR version of these two threads I shared talks about the same thing: while most electronically scanned array radar’s “FastTWS” function was deactivated due to its unreliability, J-10C’s radar never got the same treatment. The KLJ-10A radar is the AESA current J-10Cs use, Thales RBE2 is that of the Rafale (firstly PESA but then AESA) and you can see the difference.
The second data mine is just the explanation of the first in layman’s terms.
As for what FastTWS is in this function, I don’t know either… all I can guess is that this algorithm can optimize TWS efficiency at higher refresh rates somehow but decreases its reliability?
But seriously the US/CN radars have been plagued by unreliability at higher BRs.
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this video is giving me a stroke
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TWS is Track While Scan - from what google is telling me.
So Fast TWS is probably a variant of it?
Like I said, I know nothing of aircraft aside from tourist level stuff. I can tell my fulcrums from my flankers and my hornets from my falcons but I don’t know anything about the technical aspects.
Clearly, there’s some sort of change going on though. Sounds like for the better.
My educated guess tells me that it was intended to optimize scan and track efficiency and imitate multi-beam of ESA radars, so yeah, it should make the ESAs function better.
Question is that it’s buggy and tracking was unreliable under this new model.
Finally spaded J-10C and the final verdict from me is… unpleasant.
Still same strength and weaknesses of J-10A, but with better CAS. It still a bit worse than J-10A by virtue of sitting on 14.3 AirRB and facing superior BVR platforms without ability to respond in kind and with slightly worse dogfight than 10A (PL-8B is a good missile, but too much energy for <2km and/or high off bore shots)
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I mean even the A variant is a bit stalled at this point since BVR is back on the agenda with the number of AMRAAM spams (and hits) I am seeing RN, it really sucks to be a huge KE blackhole and have a weak acceleration while the low CM count doesn’t help. From dev server impressions the J-10C is no better except ability to get two extra missiles, which makes u a worse plane overall.
Welp, Gaijin has begun removing my posts in the chinese forum.
thats if it gets resolved
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@Smin1080p_WT sorry to ping you but this bug report was closed to “not a bug” for a very strange reason: Community Bug Reporting System
The Bug report manager claims that “The J-10C doesn’t have any sensors that can detect missiles.” while it quite literally has a 360° MAW.
I´d be thankfull for a response. Many thanks in advance
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